Casual Observation on the Ukraine situation.

[Taichiliberal]

Here's the thing:

As far as the average working class American is concerned, what's going on in the Ukraine isn't putting money in their pocket, food on the table or a roof over their heads, let alone decent bridges to drive over, clean water to drink, a fair justice system ... well, you get the picture.

So IMHO, it's all just a hangover from the old Cold War days. Maybe this time the idiots on all sides will finally get to shoot off all those nifty "tactical nukes" or test out all the advancements in naval, air and ground weapons technology. Of course, the drafted (Gee, I wonder how THAT will go over in America? Russians seem to have the right idea....get on the earliest train, plane, bus out of town.) soldiers will get the crap blown out of them (death, maimed, crippled, pstd, etc.), but those at home will thank them for their service, take up various collections and ignore the FACT that our gov't representatives bicker over administrative veteran funding and such.

And the Ukrainians will STILL have to deal with the neo-Nazi elements in their midst, along with all those nuke power plants and post invasion damage from being a proxy war location.

Yep, seems everything old is new again.

[Stone]

Here's the thing:

As far as the average working class American is concerned, what's going on in the Ukraine isn't putting money in their pocket, food on the table or a roof over their heads, let alone decent bridges to drive over, clean water to drink, a fair justice system ... well, you get the picture.

So IMHO, it's all just a hangover from the old Cold War days. Maybe this time the idiots on all sides will finally get to shoot off all those nifty "tactical nukes" or test out all the advancements in naval, air and ground weapons technology. Of course, the drafted (Gee, I wonder how THAT will go over in America? Russians seem to have the right idea....get on the earliest train, plane, bus out of town.) soldiers will get the crap blown out of them (death, maimed, crippled, pstd, etc.), but those at home will thank them for their service, take up various collections and ignore the FACT that our gov't representatives bicker over administrative veteran funding and such.

And the Ukrainians will STILL have to deal with the neo-Nazi elements in their midst, along with all those nuke power plants and post invasion damage from being a proxy war location.

Yep, seems everything old is new again.

Oh oh.........Be prepared now to be called a pro Putin anti democratic Fascist loving Vladimir cock gobbler by the left. If you arent all in thats what you are in their eyes. Good luck......

[Stone]

Too funny. The board lefties wouldnt touch this thread with a ten foot pole. Puts them in a bad position when one of their own strays from the talking points.

[moon]

Here's the thing:

As far as the average working class American is concerned, what's going on in the Ukraine isn't putting money in their pocket, food on the table or a roof over their heads, let alone decent bridges to drive over, clean water to drink, a fair justice system ... well, you get the picture.

Here's a solution....................;

Yanqui- go home.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Oh oh.........Be prepared now to be called a pro Putin anti democratic Fascist loving Vladimir cock gobbler by the left.

Support for Ukraine isn't confined to the left, not by a long way. Nor is it universal on the left. So what's your point?

[Hawkeye10]

Here's the thing:

As far as the average working class American is concerned, what's going on in the Ukraine isn't putting money in their pocket, food on the table or a roof over their heads, let alone decent bridges to drive over, clean water to drink, a fair justice system ... well, you get the picture.

So IMHO, it's all just a hangover from the old Cold War days. Maybe this time the idiots on all sides will finally get to shoot off all those nifty "tactical nukes" or test out all the advancements in naval, air and ground weapons technology. Of course, the drafted (Gee, I wonder how THAT will go over in America? Russians seem to have the right idea....get on the earliest train, plane, bus out of town.) soldiers will get the crap blown out of them (death, maimed, crippled, pstd, etc.), but those at home will thank them for their service, take up various collections and ignore the FACT that our gov't representatives bicker over administrative veteran funding and such.

And the Ukrainians will STILL have to deal with the neo-Nazi elements in their midst, along with all those nuke power plants and post invasion damage from being a proxy war location.

Yep, seems everything old is new again.

Ukraine is to be converted into the first WOKE UTOPIA LAND if plans pan out.

That would be new.

[moon]

A reasonable yardstick for determining US foreign policy will be in comparing how much is given to Ukraine- in excess of 100 billion dollars to date to prolong the killing and destruction- to how much is given to Turkiye for healing and reconstruction.
To Syria for earthquake relief ? The US won't even lift sanctions .

[Hawkeye10]

A reasonable yardstick for determining US foreign policy will be in comparing how much is given to Ukraine- in excess of 100 billion dollars to date to prolong the killing and destruction- to how much is given to Turkiye for healing and reconstruction.
To Syria for earthquake relief ? The US won't even lift sanctions .

China will do it then they will say as they have been saying that America spreads insanity and misery and the Chinese spread good sense and help.

[Hawkeye10]

Current estimates of Ukraine rebuilding costs that I have seen are around $.4 trillion, and going up by the day, all of it expected to come from the West.

WOKE UTOPIA would cost a lot more.

[moon]

Current estimates of Ukraine rebuilding costs that I have seen are around $.4 trillion, and going up by the day, all of it expected to come from the West.

WOKE UTOPIA would cost a lot more.

If that amount is going to Ukraine- which looks like being a much smaller country in the future- how much will go to Turkiye , a NATO member ?

[martin]

Here's the thing:

As far as the average working class American is concerned, what's going on in the Ukraine isn't putting money in their pocket, food on the table or a roof over their heads, let alone decent bridges to drive over, clean water to drink, a fair justice system ... well, you get the picture.

So IMHO, it's all just a hangover from the old Cold War days. Maybe this time the idiots on all sides will finally get to shoot off all those nifty "tactical nukes" or test out all the advancements in naval, air and ground weapons technology. Of course, the drafted (Gee, I wonder how THAT will go over in America? Russians seem to have the right idea....get on the earliest train, plane, bus out of town.) soldiers will get the crap blown out of them (death, maimed, crippled, pstd, etc.), but those at home will thank them for their service, take up various collections and ignore the FACT that our gov't representatives bicker over administrative veteran funding and such.

And the Ukrainians will STILL have to deal with the neo-Nazi elements in their midst, along with all those nuke power plants and post invasion damage from being a proxy war location.

Yep, seems everything old is new again.

The average working class American is characteristically a nonentity on international affairs. But international affairs can be meaningful to him and the war in Ukraine is dangerous, and could become one of them.

p.s. Also, don't buy Putin's claim that Ukraine is a proxy war. We need it like a hole in the head.

[Stone]

Ukraine is to be converted into the first WOKE UTOPIA LAND if plans pan out.

That would be new.

And as an added bonus,... it will also come pre population controlled with a nice new low and sustainable population.

[Hawkeye10]

And as an added bonus,... it will also come pre population controlled with a nice new low and sustainable population.

Almost certainly too with a population that sure that America lied to them, betrayed them.

[serendipity]

[Taichiliberal]

Here's a solution....................;

Yanqui- go home.

Ahhh, but there are no yankees there .... yet.