EV's now more expensive in time and money to refuel than ICE vehicles

[T. A. Gardner]

In a more comprehensive study, the Anderson Economic Group did a multi-year study of the costs to charge an EV versus an ICE vehicle. The EV loses, particularly on the cost in time to charge it.

Real-World Electric Vehicle Fueling Costs May Surprise New EV Drivers

The research found that fueling an EV is often more expensive than fueling an ICE vehicle. It further found that fueling costs are far more variable for EVs. The authors go on to note the significant time costs imposed on EV drivers as a result of both inadequate infrastructure and wait times associated with fueling, which can be five to ten times the cost for ICE drivers.
https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.co...ew-ev-drivers/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.co...ce-vehicles-2/

https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.co..._2ed4-5-22.pdf

So, when a dispassionate group without an agenda does a very thorough analysis of the costs, the EV loses again.

[T. A. Gardner]

What? Joke Communist and the rest of the EV true believers aren't refuting this? Can it be their arguments in favor of EVs are all tissue thin bullshit?

[Nordberg]

You cannot learn the truth. You are anti EVs and will believe anything that comes out against them. You are blind to the opposing facts, so why deal with you?
EVs are far cheaper to operate and require a hell of a lot less maintenance. To some people, time is money to
Your EV is coming soon. You will finally figure it out.

[floridafan]

What? Joke Communist and the rest of the EV true believers aren't refuting this? Can it be their arguments in favor of EVs are all tissue thin bullshit?

Todays EV's are in their infancy. Costs will come down, batteries will improve and charging times will be reduced.

[T. A. Gardner]

Todays EV's are in their infancy. Costs will come down, batteries will improve and charging times will be reduced.

Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.

[floridafan]

Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.

It's no different than personal computers which now sell for a fraction of what they did 15 years ago and are far more sophisticated. HD TV's were costing in the thousands now far better are available for a few hundred dollars.
It's happening already, much cheaper alternatives to Tesla are already on the market.

You just refuse to accept any progress.

[T. A. Gardner]

It's no different than personal computers which now sell for a fraction of what they did 15 years ago and are far more sophisticated. HD TV's were costing in the thousands now far better are available for a few hundred dollars.
It's happening already, much cheaper alternatives to Tesla are already on the market.

You just refuse to accept any progress.

Wrong. PC's were expensive until IBM changed one thing about them: IBM built one with open architecture. The IBM 8088 PC computer revolutionized not the internal components. Those were off-the-shelf run of the mill ones used more or less by every manufacturer. What changed was IBM made the operating system and source code open sourced. That meant anybody that wanted to develop software for it could do so free of royalties that other manufacturers charged exorbitantly for.
All of a sudden there was a massive increase in applications and uses for a PC due to the software that was now available. It creamed all the smaller, proprietary manufacturers. It also would put IBM ultimately out of the PC business, but it revolutionized small computers.

Unlike computers where a true revolution in design occurred, battery cars today are not that far removed from earlier ones. Sure, the Edison of 1912 was simpler, but it's essentially the same drive train that a modern EV has.



There's nothing innovative about a modern EV. That's why they fail in the market without the government putting their proverbial thumb on the scale to force people into buying them.

[floridafan]

It's no different than personal computers which now sell for a fraction of what they did 15 years ago and are far more sophisticated. HD TV's were costing in the thousands now far better are available for a few hundred dollars.
It's happening already, much cheaper alternatives to Tesla are already on the market.

You just refuse to accept any progress.

You are trying to bullshit us and say that a PC that I buy today for a few hundred dollars isnt far better than what cost thousands a decade ago? A PC printer today that costa about $100 is 10 times better than what was available for many hundreds more.
Then we have this:

American car shoppers appear to have discovered electric vehicles. After a decade of slow but steady sales growth, electric vehicle registrations in the U.S. shot up 60 percent in the first quarter of 2022, even as overall new car registrations dropped 18 percent, per a report by Automotive News that used data collected by financial data firm Experian. It’s the latest indication that domestic EV acceptance may have turned some important but invisible corner recently.

[Nordberg]

Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.

What does the beginning of the automobile age have to do with today.? The early cars set speed records but the technology was not competitive regarding range and cost. Once they were rethought, they found how much better they are. They are improving rapidly in range and cost. they already are ahead of ICEs in speed. The time of ICEs is ending rapidly.
Here are the ev ICE cost comparisons . You are way off,. The cost of an average ICE and operation is 8,691 per year. In Oregon, an EV yearly cost is 2,474. In Mich, the most expensive is 5.076.
https://www.self.inc/info/electric-c...gas-cars-cost/

[Perry Phimosis]

Unlike computers where a true revolution in design occurred, battery cars today are not that far removed from earlier ones. Sure, the Edison of 1912 was simpler, but it's essentially the same drive train that a modern EV has.

Seems you overlooked the revolution in battery technology. And you continue to act as if no new batteries will ever be invented. I guess that's because you have never invented anything or done anything new or novel.

[Trumpet]

Bullshit. EV's have been around for nearly 150 years now, and they never worked compared to ICE vehicles. If they did, they'd have already been in the market. Sure, the technology has gotten better, but it hasn't bested the alternatives. Instead, today, it's only the radical Leftist greentards talking government into massive subsidies and draconian mandates that is allowing them to make any headway at all.

EV have been here for150 years, aren't you stretching the facts here just a bit?????

[T. A. Gardner]

Seems you overlooked the revolution in battery technology. And you continue to act as if no new batteries will ever be invented. I guess that's because you have never invented anything or done anything new or novel.

There is no revolution in battery technology--period!

[Hawkeye10]

Just as the overlords are doing everything they can to make driving less appealing, that is slower and more of a hassle and with more risk if the rules are not followed, in order to "motivate" people to not drive, long recharging times are not necessarily a negative.

These people would ideally be walking or riding a bike or staying home.

[T. A. Gardner]

EV have been here for150 years, aren't you stretching the facts here just a bit?????

Camille Faure in 1881 made the electric vehicle possible, and what was probably the first, a tricycle, ran in Paris in 1881.
https://www.britannica.com/technolog...ic-automobiles

Sorry, I was off a bit. It was only 142 years...

[RB 60]

Seems you overlooked the revolution in battery technology. And you continue to act as if no new batteries will ever be invented. I guess that's because you have never invented anything or done anything new or novel.

Will EV battery technology be safe for driver/passenger and first responders in case of a serious accident? There's always a trade off.