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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Then using Minie balls is the way to go. Far greater accuracy than patched ball ammo.

    There are plenty of sellers and you can easily get a mold to make your own. Here's one at random off the internet.

    https://www.octobercountry.com/minie-balls/

    Dixie is a well-known company for these products.

    https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/...lanks?view_all

    A good Minie ball design is far more stable and accurate than any round ball will ever be. Oh, I don't recommend any lube that is wax based to use with them. Fat based ones are far superior.
    Crisco. I heard the old timers used to use bear tallow.

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    Can you get humane kills with the meager muzzle velocity of black powder weapons?

    Maybe squirrels. I can't believe deer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Can you get humane kills with the meager muzzle velocity of black powder weapons?

    Maybe squirrels. I can't believe deer.
    15-1600 FPS and 50 cal 180 gr bullet?

    Yeah, it'll take a deer "humanely".

    I could take a deer humanely with a .22. DRT. Ofc not shooting in the "kill zone".

    http://pages.sssnet.com/go2erie/muzzle.htm

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    I'm lucky. I can get beef, pork, and chicken at the butcher shop doing no "wetwork" myself.

    I own nine firearms, and the only living species at which I ever shot was homo sapiens--and not with one of my own rifles
    but with a piece-of-shit M16 owned by our occasionally insane government.

    Still, I'm not a vegetarian so to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Can you get humane kills with the meager muzzle velocity of black powder weapons?

    Maybe squirrels. I can't believe deer.
    You substitute mass for velocity. A .40 to .50 caliber black powder rifle using 200 to 500 grain bullets that are soft lead will do just fine. At the heavier end, like my .54 Sharps with 550 grain semi-spitzers that is like a freight train hitting a deer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Squirrel hunt with black powder .50 cal.

    If you don't hit 'em the head, there ain't gonna be no meat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I AM,I AM's,AM I View Post
    Double negative
    Engrish teecher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    You substitute mass for velocity. A .40 to .50 caliber black powder rifle using 200 to 500 grain bullets that are soft lead will do just fine. At the heavier end, like my .54 Sharps with 550 grain semi-spitzers that is like a freight train hitting a deer.
    They probably hit harder than most "smokeless" powder rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    You substitute mass for velocity. A .40 to .50 caliber black powder rifle using 200 to 500 grain bullets that are soft lead will do just fine. At the heavier end, like my .54 Sharps with 550 grain semi-spitzers that is like a freight train hitting a deer.
    I see.
    Not my thing.
    I have a .220 Swift that does 4000 fps.
    Never hit a living thing with it, though. Just like the gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I see.
    Not my thing.
    I have a .220 Swift that does 4000 fps.
    Never hit a living thing with it, though. Just like the gun.
    It can go up to 4200 fps but will erode the throat.
    I use a 55 gr. Nosler ballistic tip traveling at 3850 fps
    in a 75+ yr. old Winchester mod 70. That is plenty
    fast and flat shooting. A groundhog's worst nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Can you get humane kills with the meager muzzle velocity of black powder weapons?

    Maybe squirrels. I can't believe deer.
    People might question whether weapons and kills like the one in the pictures are humane or not. I really strive for taking the most deadly shot and will not take a shot if there is doubt…whether bow, muzzleloader or modern firearm.

    The pictures are in order from where the deer was standing when I took the shot to where I found her…about 40 yards away. You’ll notice that I found my arrow in the blood trail.












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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    People might question whether weapons and kills like the one in the pictures are humane or not. I really strive for taking the most deadly shot and will not take a shot if there is doubt…whether bow, muzzleloader or modern firearm.

    The pictures are in order from where the deer was standing when I took the shot to where I found her…about 40 yards away. You’ll notice that I found my arrow in the blood trail.

    https://i.postimg.cc/nXXxBmg9/EBD0-B...A4-F1-E8-A.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/CZDV6gFF/BF3-B8...105-C6-BF3.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/yW7znt2H/5968-B...7332-CE659.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/7GkrFW6S/727-E0...7-CE7-DFEA.jpg [/url]

    https://i.postimg.cc/Hc91d9cR/8827-B...ABA32-F653.jpg

    Is that a bolt? I've practiced with a compound bow, but like a crossbow for accuracy, which leads to the ethics of a clean kill.

    It always fascinates me that the Bambi-lovers have no problem with wolves chewing a deer's throat out as more humane than an arrow through the heart/lungs.

    On a side note, the first person to guess what the pictures below represent wins 10,000 JPP internet points:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Dutch View Post
    Is that a bolt? I've practiced with a compound bow, but like a crossbow for accuracy, which leads to the ethics of a clean kill.

    It always fascinates me that the Bambi-lovers have no problem with wolves chewing a deer's throat out as more humane than an arrow through the heart/lungs.

    On a side note, the first person to guess what the pictures below represent wins 10,000 JPP internet points:
    Is someone planning to make his bow from scratch?

    Yes, it’s a bolt. When I turned 50 I ditched the compound and bought a fairly cheap crossbow. A Barnett Jackal. I had developed some elbow issues from my pitching days. Funny, I never had a sore arm while pitching but the elbow issues showed up later…and according to the sawbones it was from all of those curve balls.

    Anyway, it is really accurate. I’ve taken 5 deer with is so far. I’m not an antler hunter, I’m a meat hunter, but here’s the best buck I’ve taken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    Is someone planning to make his bow from scratch?

    Yes, it’s a bolt. When I turned 50 I ditched the compound and bought a fairly cheap crossbow. A Barnett Jackal. I had developed some elbow issues from my pitching days. Funny, I never had a sore arm while pitching but the elbow issues showed up later…and according to the sawbones it was from all of those curve balls.

    Anyway, it is really accurate. I’ve taken 5 deer with is so far. I’m not an antler hunter, I’m a meat hunter, but here’s the best buck I’ve taken.

    A Barnett Jackal is a nice crossbow. Nice buck too. What range do you take the deer with?

    Re elbow; Bettie Davis was right - getting old isn’t for sissies. LOL

    Not much of a deer hunter here, mainly because I’m lazy and impatient. Hogs are easier*. No deer piss or camo needed.

    *although I haven’t hunted them with a bow/crossbow.
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    Speaking of hogs; we’re being invaded by Canadian Superpigs. It’s appears all those who wanted a wall on the Southern border should have built it on the Northern border.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...-pig-invasion/
    Highly Intelligent and Possibly Invincible Super Pigs Are Invading America
    • A special breed of hybrid super pigs from Canada have started to travel south into the northern United States.
    • The pigs pose a threat to native wildlife and may prove tough to eradicate.
    • The spread of the pigs has only increased in recent years.




    A hybrid breed of super pigs—a mix of a domestic pig and a wild boar—is running wild in Canada. And now they have their sights set on the United States.

    Originally crossbred to help farmed pigs grow larger and tolerate the cold temperatures of Canada, a drop in the market about two decades ago led some farmers to let their hybrid pigs run free. Now they’re running very free, according to Field and Stream. The super pigs are coming south, likely heading to Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Michigan.

    The problem? The super pigs are proving hard to eradicate.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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