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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The wild hog problem infrequently materializes here in Boston, but I suppose that it doesn't hurt to be ready just in case.
    Meanwhile, pork is the least expensive meat in the supermarket right now.
    I wish that beef was that price, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    One wonders why. The NATO 5.56 round isn't as lethal as the .223 Remington hollow point hunting round...although obviously lethal enough.
    full jacketed rounds are designed to be less lethal than a hollow point round of same caliber and charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    This is a 10-round magazine British Enfield SMLE, a rifle that first saw military service in 1895. It is bolt action. In the hands of someone who is practiced with it, you can easily fire 20 aimed rounds a minute from one, possibly as many as 30.



    It isn't the weapon that matters. It is who is operating it that does.

    Practiced, you can fire 10 rounds in 10 seconds, reload in 10 seconds, and repeat the process.
    Then wouldn't you agree that a weapon that requires LESS PRACTICE to do the same thing is more "deadly"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    Then wouldn't you agree that a weapon that requires LESS PRACTICE to do the same thing is more "deadly"?
    So would you agree some mass shooters practice with their guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    Then wouldn't you agree that a weapon that requires LESS PRACTICE to do the same thing is more "deadly"?
    No. The two are equally deadly. What makes the difference is the person operating them. An AR-15 in the hands of an amateur with little practice and who manages to score say, one hit in three rounds firing it is far less deadly than someone with considerable practice and an Enfield SMLE who hits their target every time. Thus, for let's say 20 rounds fired, the amateur hits 7 times while the experienced shooter hits 20 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    A Glock cannot kill someone past about a 100 yards; an AR-15 can easily kill at 800 yards. Glocks lack the accuracy of an AR-15 even below 100 yards. A Glock is not going to get through reasonable body armor, like an AR-15 can. Glocks are really not designed for a high rate of fire like AR-15's are.

    There is one thing that makes a Glock better than an AR-15, it is easier to carry. If I am a soldier, I know I am going out to kill someone, so I want to carry something like an AR-15. If I am a hunter, I know I am going out to kill something, so I want to carry something like a hunting rifle. If I am anyone else, and do not know I am going out to kill anything, I want to either not carry any weapon, or at most carry a pistol.
    Glocks can cycle just as fast as an AR-15 and you can buy 30 round capacity or larger magazines. In practice magazines larger than 30 rounds have a higher failure rate in AR-15
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No. The two are equally deadly. What makes the difference is the person operating them. An AR-15 in the hands of an amateur with little practice and who manages to score say, one hit in three rounds firing it is far less deadly than someone with considerable practice and an Enfield SMLE who hits their target every time. Thus, for let's say 20 rounds fired, the amateur hits 7 times while the experienced shooter hits 20 times.
    I worked at a company that worked on the original ARs. The airforce was working with us on it. They said their people were such bad shots, that they wanted to spray bullets to keep them alive. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/ar...15%20in%201960.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I worked at a company that worked on the original ARs. The airforce was working with us on it. They said their people were such bad shots, that they wanted to spray bullets to keep them alive. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/ar...15%20in%201960.
    That would be the fully automatic versions of the M-16 with the "spray and pray" feature... Later ones only allow a 3 round burst. I found that (the 3 round thing) not all that useful as you hit with one and miss with two...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Badguy View Post
    Then wouldn't you agree that a weapon that requires LESS PRACTICE to do the same thing is more "deadly"?
    Man, you just made me prouder to own me own Brit 303 Enfield!

    That was pretty fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Hollow point bullets are used by the military, dumbass.
    The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[1] It is a common misapprehension that hollow-point ammunition is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, as the prohibition significantly predates those conventions. The Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868 banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, along with weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Think MILITARY WEAPONS DUMB ASS!

    Which asks a question in itself, WHY DO CITIZENS NEED MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS AND AMMO>
    Because.

    I need not justify why I need or want a gun or any other weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Since "all of the above" is not an option, I'll go with B. F = MA

    FWIW, deer hunting with the .223 is illegal in some areas because it's better at wounding deer than killing them. It's why I prefer the AK; the 7.62x39 is a better hunting round due to F = MA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Hollow points are illegal by the Genevia Convention for warfare.

    The Hague Convention of 1899 forbid the use of "Dum-dum" bullets in war, and that has been continued in the Genevia Convention as a prohibition against using hollow point bullets in warfare. The military used only full metal jacket bullets today.
    Nope. Hollow point bullets are used in warfare.
    The military uses hollow point bullets as well as FMJs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Glocks can cycle just as fast as an AR-15 and you can buy 30 round capacity or larger magazines. In practice magazines larger than 30 rounds have a higher failure rate in AR-15
    It is not difficult to build one, you can get aftermarket stuff that fit a Glock... I've seen 150 round chambers that have circular bottoms, they look a bit like the magazine for an old tommy gun... Let me see if I can find a link to an image of something similar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    If so, using hollow point bullets is a war crime under international conventions.
    Terrorist groups may use hollow points, but they're criminals already.
    It is not a war crime to use hollow point bullets in warfare. The military does use hollow point bullets.
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