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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    What makes the AR-15 so lethal?

    A. It is semiautomatic.
    B. It is high caliber.
    C. Has a large capacity clip.
    D. Your answer.
    Mostly the large capacity clip. It's actually a fairly small caliber.

    My main objection to it is that it's a quasi-military weapon, not a legitimate sporting firearm.
    A sporting arm will suffice for self-defense, but an AR-15 is an overtly offensive weapon.
    I was issued an M-16, the actual military version. I still remember what it was for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Mostly the large capacity clip. It's actually a fairly small caliber.

    My main objection to it is that it's a quasi-military weapon, not a legitimate sporting firearm.
    A sporting arm will suffice for self-defense, but an AR-15 is an overtly offensive weapon.
    I was issued an M-16, the actual military version. I still remember what it was for.
    The LAST thing I ever wanted to do was to take the ugly piece of shit home with me.
    Like a car is a quasi-military tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Exactly my point. Pistol rounds are for self-defense, not offense. Still, up close, a .45 has a lot of knock down power.
    Looking at the numbers, I would guess the average murderer does not wake up the morning of the murder knowing he will murder that day. He realizes he might murder that day, but that is just possible. He does not want to lug a big rifle around with him all day on just the vague possibility, so he picks a pistol.

    .45's are made for killing horses. I doubt many people want to kill horses, so they will pick a 9mm. A 9mm would be lighter, easier to carry, and would generally allow more shots. If you want to kill a human, then more shots are better.

    So to answer the original question, what makes the AR-15 so lethal? 9mm or even bullets with less force pistols are far more lethal, in that, they are far more likely to be carried and used by killers in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The M-16 doesn't have clips either. You've obviously never carried an M-16.
    The first statement is technically correct, but mostly wrong. The second statement is completely wrong. Soldiers are the most common group both to carry M-16, and to refer to a magazine as a clip. Night clearly never served.

    Being a gravy seal does not make Night an expert on anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Very few guns have clips. Neither the M-16 nor the AR-15 uses clips.
    The 1911 pistol doesn't use a clip either.
    And it gets worse. Technically the clip is the strip of metal used to reload the magazine, so any soldier who has used a M-16, or 1911 pistol would have used a clip to reload the magazines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionfish View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    What makes the AR-15 so lethal?

    A. It is semiautomatic.
    B. It is high caliber.
    C. Has a large capacity clip.
    D. Your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    A .22 pistol is a serious weapon. So is a sword.
    Going to modern war with a sword will get you laughed at. Even in the past, swords were more rarely used in combat than you would think. They were useless against a pike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    In Nam I saw a guy's arm nearly torn off by an M-16 round.
    Yep Kyle Rittenhouse did that in Kenosha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Any time you want to debate weapons with this ignorant old retired GI just bring it on.
    OK here is a couple questions for you. Is a .223 a "large caliber" round. Is a AR 15 magazine feed or clip feed?


    Keep in mind having a 30 round clip is pretty difficult but a 30 round magazine is pretty common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Typical anti gun rant. All guns have a sole function. And that is to throw a projectile when fired. It is the user who determines if it is meant to kill or not.
    Yes the primary reason for a gun, is to kill, be it food or a threat to your safety. There are sick bad people in this world who use guns for evil but they are a very small portion of gun owners.
    They are a big enough group to have many mass murders ,many children in schools.
    But I have zero faith anything can be done.
    America is a gun junkie and nothing will change that.
    It's just part of the fiber of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    A Glock can do anything an AR-15 can.
    A Glock cannot kill someone past about a 100 yards; an AR-15 can easily kill at 800 yards. Glocks lack the accuracy of an AR-15 even below 100 yards. A Glock is not going to get through reasonable body armor, like an AR-15 can. Glocks are really not designed for a high rate of fire like AR-15's are.

    There is one thing that makes a Glock better than an AR-15, it is easier to carry. If I am a soldier, I know I am going out to kill someone, so I want to carry something like an AR-15. If I am a hunter, I know I am going out to kill something, so I want to carry something like a hunting rifle. If I am anyone else, and do not know I am going out to kill anything, I want to either not carry any weapon, or at most carry a pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    In Nam I saw a guy's arm nearly torn off by an M-16 round.
    I am not quite sure that can happen with a 9mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    D. It's no more lethal than many handguns other than being a "big skeery gun." lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I have. I really dislike the M-16, particularly the telescoping stock ones. I dislike the sight picture, find it uncomfortable to use, and in general, just don't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Exactly my point. Pistol rounds are for self-defense, not offense. Still, up close, a .45 has a lot of knock down power.
    Yes, but it depends on how you define self defense. Most murders are done in some level of self defense, but not legal self defense. Shooting a robbery victim, so they cannot be a witness against you is not legally self defense.
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