Florida book bans - the first step before burning

[Melchizedek = Michael]

I rest my case...

You have no case! Or personality,

[Walt]

What is the purpose of having untrained and/or poorly-educated alt-right vets as teachers, other than to fill an empty spot in a classroom? Are they meant to cow the kids into obedience? Espouse RW ideas? Give the kids the impression that the military is the best career move? Why can't Black veterans apply?

In fairness, Black veterans can apply. The program is setup to discourage them from applying. It all reminds me of what Frank Rizzo did to the Philadelphia Police Department. In 1966, Philadelphia had for the time unusually many Black police officers. 27.5% of hired police officers were Black, which is less impressive now, but was one of the highest in the country by far. Rizzo did not ban Blacks from apply, but by 1970, that had reduced to 7.7%. There are ways to stop from hiring Blacks, and to discourage Blacks from even applying.

It does seem that DeSantis is trying to introduce an armed right wing element into the schools. It is not just trying to fill empty positions. It is the beginning of a violent purge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rizzo

It is true that whether you are civilian or vet, if you have a BS degree you can get a teaching certificate. That's what my son-in-law did; he has a BS in mathematics and now teaches middle school math. I don't have a BS, yet, but even I am considered qualified to serve as a substitute teacher.

There is a small amount of training that is needed beyond a bachelors degree to get a teaching certificate, but it is not much. It is so small that veterans benefits will easily pay for it. Clinton introduced a program that will pay veterans a stipend to live off of while they get the teaching certificate, so they it is extremely easy for them to do it.

And honestly, most educated soldiers are in essence teachers already. Their job is to organize, and teach a large group of enlisted soldiers. It is not that different.

Even if the veteran does not have a bachelors degree, the veterans benefits will pay for them to get a bachelors degree. There really is no need for DeSantis' program, if the point is to educate veterans to be teachers.

Which is why I say the point is to get armed right wing paramilitary units into the schools. This is ugly.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I rest my case...

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Why is it a violation? Is there is a difference between offering book choices for book reports and forcing students to be gay? Yes, there is.

This thread is about banning books in school libraries, not limiting them to age levels or restricting them from being taught per se.

As I recall, my teachers always offered a list of books to chose from for book reports. The logic being that students would be more likely to read something they liked.

When I was in the Third Grade, "Moby Dick" was one choice, but it looked boring after I flipped through it in the school library. A friend offered an alternative choice; Robert Heinlein's "Have Space Suit, Will Travel". That single book ignited my passion for reading. Within the year I had read every SF book in the elementary school library; mostly Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein.

By Sixth Grade, I was reading on the college level and routinely saved my allowance for used book stores and public library sales. A paperback copy of Merriam-Webster was a constant companion to look up words I didn't understand.

IMO, banning books never ends well. Restricting to "age appropriate" is fine with me.


PS. I've never read "Moby Dick". I have read Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land".

I'm not advocating banning books. But why would you put a book that violates school policy in the class room? I wouldn't want books on prostitution in the class room. Every city has a library that is the proper place for such books.

[ThatOwlWoman]

In fairness, Black veterans can apply. The program is setup to discourage them from applying. It all reminds me of what Frank Rizzo did to the Philadelphia Police Department. In 1966, Philadelphia had for the time unusually many Black police officers. 27.5% of hired police officers were Black, which is less impressive now, but was one of the highest in the country by far. Rizzo did not ban Blacks from apply, but by 1970, that had reduced to 7.7%. There are ways to stop from hiring Blacks, and to discourage Blacks from even applying.

It does seem that DeSantis is trying to introduce an armed right wing element into the schools. It is not just trying to fill empty positions. It is the beginning of a violent purge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rizzo



There is a small amount of training that is needed beyond a bachelors degree to get a teaching certificate, but it is not much. It is so small that veterans benefits will easily pay for it. Clinton introduced a program that will pay veterans a stipend to live off of while they get the teaching certificate, so they it is extremely easy for them to do it.

And honestly, most educated soldiers are in essence teachers already. Their job is to organize, and teach a large group of enlisted soldiers. It is not that different.

Even if the veteran does not have a bachelors degree, the veterans benefits will pay for them to get a bachelors degree. There really is no need for DeSantis' program, if the point is to educate veterans to be teachers.

Which is why I say the point is to get armed right wing paramilitary units into the schools. This is ugly.

It is. It's bad enough that so many schools already resemble prisons; now they want to staff them as though they are.

[Doc Dutch]

In fairness, Black veterans can apply. The program is setup to discourage them from applying. It all reminds me of what Frank Rizzo did to the Philadelphia Police Department. In 1966, Philadelphia had for the time unusually many Black police officers. 27.5% of hired police officers were Black, which is less impressive now, but was one of the highest in the country by far. Rizzo did not ban Blacks from apply, but by 1970, that had reduced to 7.7%. There are ways to stop from hiring Blacks, and to discourage Blacks from even applying.

It does seem that DeSantis is trying to introduce an armed right wing element into the schools. It is not just trying to fill empty positions. It is the beginning of a violent purge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rizzo



There is a small amount of training that is needed beyond a bachelors degree to get a teaching certificate, but it is not much. It is so small that veterans benefits will easily pay for it. Clinton introduced a program that will pay veterans a stipend to live off of while they get the teaching certificate, so they it is extremely easy for them to do it.

And honestly, most educated soldiers are in essence teachers already. Their job is to organize, and teach a large group of enlisted soldiers. It is not that different.

Even if the veteran does not have a bachelors degree, the veterans benefits will pay for them to get a bachelors degree. There really is no need for DeSantis' program, if the point is to educate veterans to be teachers.

Which is why I say the point is to get armed right wing paramilitary units into the schools. This is ugly.

While I doubt DeSantis is as nefarious as to put Nazis in schools, I readily agree he is politicizing the system to foster a straight, Euro-American ideal.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I'm not advocating banning books. But why would you put a book that violates school policy in the class room? I wouldn't want books on prostitution in the class room. Every city has a library that is the proper place for such books.

There is no evidence that teachers are putting "dangerous" or "icky" books in classrooms. There is a huge difference between a book like the one you referenced, a memoir written for older students and/or adults, and one written for children that has a character with two moms or mixed race parents or who is non-white. THOSE are the books that Reichwing parents are screeching about, not third-graders being given the book you referenced.

[Eagle_Eye]

There is no evidence that teachers are putting "dangerous" or "icky" books in classrooms. There is a huge difference between a book like the one you referenced, a memoir written for older students and/or adults, and one written for children that has a character with two moms or mixed race parents or who is non-white. THOSE are the books that Reichwing parents are screeching about, not third-graders being given the book you referenced.

The book in question on this decision is the book I mentioned. Also it is in comic book form now who do you think that is aimed at?

[Saint Guinefort]

The book in question on this decision is the book I mentioned. Also it is in comic book form now who do you think that is aimed at?

Hmmm, comic books...who reads comic books? Oh, I know the answer: Men over the age of 20. Yeah, that's it.

[Nordberg]

Were any of you ever damaged by a book? This is about nothing. Do people read a murder mystery and go kill people? If one of you read a book with gay characters, would you be looking for someone to blow? When kids encounter books above their levels , they call him "icky". Then go on with life. We have always had school libraries divided by age appropriate. I doubt it is necessary, but we do that.

[christiefan915]

Exactly. If a child is being abused, then the teacher can go to prison, even if the teacher had nothing to do with the abuse. Teachers have to be very careful to avoid crimes.

Somehow Gym Jordan isn't being held to this standard.

[Doc Dutch]

I'm not advocating banning books. But why would you put a book that violates school policy in the class room? I wouldn't want books on prostitution in the class room. Every city has a library that is the proper place for such books.

You missed "age appropriate" vs. book banning.

Do you think a person can be turned gay, EE?

[Doc Dutch]

Somehow Gym Jordan isn't being held to this standard.

Agreed, but since he was a staunch Trump supporter (the #1 TDSer in DC), it's okay.

Also note that, like Pedo Don, Roy Moore and Matt Gaetz, raping underage females is also A-Okay in the RNC!

Their motto? "Just say 'No' to gays!"

[ThatOwlWoman]

The book in question on this decision is the book I mentioned. Also it is in comic book form now who do you think that is aimed at?

Young people.

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