War news for morons

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NATO not seeking to become party to Ukraine conflict, bloc chief says

BERLIN, January 25. /TASS/. NATO is neither a party to the conflict in Ukraine, nor does it seek to become one, the bloc’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in an interview with Germany’s Die Welt newspaper published on Wednesday.

https://tass.com/world/1566705

The US hawks have different ideas.

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A primer;

Jonathan Cook, journalist

Forget 'madman Putin'. Dozens of cables exposed by Wikileaks show US officials warning for years of a Russian consensus – 'among policymakers, experts and the informed population' – against continued Nato expansion. Ukraine was the 'brightest of red lines'.

Cables from 2008 concern Nato officials pressing reticent Ukrainian leaders to declare support for Nato membership, and discussing how to persuade Ukraine’s population to 'be more favorable' toward joining. Public education campaigns in Ukraine followed.

William Burns, now Biden's CIA chief, warned in 2008: 'Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over Nato membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war.'

Civil war in Ukraine is, of course, exactly what happened from 2014 onwards as the predicted tensions surfaced under US-Nato pressure. In his cable, Burns continued that Russia would then 'have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face'.

The Wikileaks cables show conclusively that US officials ignored all those warnings, strong-armed Ukraine into ever closer cooperation with Nato, helped stoke a civil war, and crossed Russia's brightest of red lines.

And now Washington is playing the part of Ukraine's saviour.

The forgotten story here is the western media. How is all this information - on the record care of Wikileaks, and directly sourced to US, Nato, European officials – simply memory-holed in the current coverage of Ukraine.

It's almost as if our media are gaslighting us.

[Nordberg]

Ukraine tried to get into NATO and was rejected due to corruption in the leadership. If NATO wanted a war, they would have let them in. NATO is a right-wing boogieman.Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a right to do what it wants. NATO is obviously not involved.

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Ukraine tried to get into NATO and was rejected due to corruption in the leadership. If NATO wanted a war, they would have let them in. NATO is a right-wing boogieman.Ukraine is a sovereign country and has a right to do what it wants. NATO is obviously not involved.

Are you denying that there was a US-led coup in 2014 ? Such a denial is compulsory for those who want to blame Russia for this war- yet the evidence is undeniable.

[Nordberg]

So you're upset that the Russian-backed leader was kicked out? Of course, you are. You liked that Russia controlled Ukraine. But Yanukovych was corrupt and your favorite part was a communist. Ukraine was thriving after he was booted out.

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So you're upset that the Russian-backed leader was kicked out? Of course, you are. You liked that Russia controlled Ukraine. But Yanukovych was corrupt and your favorite part was a communist. Ukraine was thriving after he was booted out.

You clearly only respect ' self-determination ' for other countries if their governments are determined by America.

After pro-Russian Yanukovych was violently removed Ukrainian neo-Nazis began their agenda of murdering pro-Russian Ukrainians and civil war ensued for eight years.
Your notion of ' thriving ' appears fascism-based.