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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Even the willfully blind are rapidly losing the ability to avoid seeing that America is in big trouble....your con job no longer works.
    Yadda, yadda, yadda. We hear this from you right wing morons everytime there's a Dem in the White House. We heard it for eight years during Clinton yet things turned out pretty good. Then we heard it for eight years during Obama. Remember the "if Obama becomes president, America as we know it will cease to exist". Yeah, that was a good one. You MAGA morons are like The Boy who Cried 'Wolf'.
    You spew the same bullshit over and over again, yet over the last 30 years of presidential elections, the Republicans have only won the popular vote ONCE!
    The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Your bullshit isn't working, Fawkewe10.
    Republican Congressman Ken Buck:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Wrong .the car prices are about the same.
    Lie.
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    They have much lower costs in electricity over gas.
    Lie. EVs use almost twice as much energy as gasoline cars. You still burn fuel to drive them.
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    They have a lot less maintenance.
    Lie. Maintenance is the same for the same newness of a car. EVs are MUCH more expensive to repair.
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    They save many thousands over the lifetime of the vehicle.
    Lie.
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    The infrastructure bill dealt with charging stations.
    Lie. Charging stations require power generating capacity to be increased, and transmission line capacity to be increased. That's NOT in the infrastructure bill.
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    Try and keep up. I also gave you a cite on how oil companies are getting into the charging station business. You really are clueless.
    Irrelevant. Insufficient power generating capacity and distribution capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post

    The sky is falling!!!! The sky is falling!!! Run for your lives!!! Run for your lives!!!
    Cliche fallacy.
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    More bullshit Chicken Little scare tactics from the radical right. Whatever happened to Hillary's email server and President Obama's Birth Certificate?
    Crimes they still haven't paid for. Cliche fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    I love how ItN tries to convince us that EVs are less efficient than Gas cars.
    They are. It takes twice as much energy to charge and drive an EV to go the same distance as a similar sized gasoline car. Again, you are ignoring losses in power generation, transformer waste heat, transmission line waste heat, distribution line waste heat, charger waste heat, battery heating, and motor waste heat.
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    Gas cars lose much of their energy in heat from friction.
    So do EVs.
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    That's why they need a lubrication and cooling system.
    So do EVs.
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    EVs have neither
    Lie. They have both.
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    and don't need to maintain these systems with fluids.
    Yes you do.
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    Also, with EVs Regenerative Braking, you rarely use the brakes.
    Heating the batteries instead.
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    Thus, less maintenance.
    Nope. Maintenance is the same between both cars.
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    Also, no valves, no camshaft, no transmission.
    EVs have transmissions. Some even have valves.
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    ItN has no fucking idea what he's talking about. Either he's a moron or he knows he's lying but he's saying it to be in lockstep with the other right wing morons.
    No, that's YOU. You have no idea what is an EV.

    The batteries are liquid cooled.
    The motor is liquid cooled.
    The charger is air cooled.
    The distribution and transmission lines are air cooled.
    The transformers are liquid cooled.
    The power generator is air cooled.
    The driver is a heat engine.

    No, you don't get to ignore the wasted energy it takes to charge your stupid car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Lie.

    Lie. EVs use almost twice as much energy as gasoline cars. You still burn fuel to drive them.

    Lie. Maintenance is the same for the same newness of a car. EVs are MUCH more expensive to repair.

    Lie.

    Lie. Charging stations require power generating capacity to be increased, and transmission line capacity to be increased. That's NOT in the infrastructure bill.

    Irrelevant. Insufficient power generating capacity and distribution capacity.
    You do know , idiot, that I provided cites showing exactly what I post. I do not drive by like you and say No a dozen times and think I won a debate. Power companies are building up the infrastructure.. They are not impotent like you. They are doing things to make EVs the future. They have committed to the future. https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/2...arging-network You are a special kind of stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Are you suggesting that farmland is scarce because it's being repurposed for solar farms?
    When hundreds of thousands of acres are used for solar panels it is obvious it will cause a food shortage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Okay. So you can't define either of them. They remain undefined buzzwords, and chants by the Church of Green.
    Your brain is upside-down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When hundreds of thousands of acres are used for solar panels it is obvious it will cause a food shortage
    Oh, so you're an idiot. I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    You do know , idiot, that I provided cites showing exactly what I post.
    Propaganda and marketing campaigns mean nothing. Holy Links are not a proof. You STILL haven't figured that out. You are STILL ignoring the current state of the power grids, the required power they will have to provide to charge all those cars, and that currently less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. Special pleading is a fallacy, dumbass.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I do not drive by like you and say No a dozen times and think I won a debate.
    You are not debating. There are no debates on JPP. Just conversations. YOU are preaching, not debating.
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    Power companies are building up the infrastructure..
    No, they are not. Stop making shit up.
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    They are not impotent like you. They are doing things to make EVs the future.
    No, they are not. Stop making shit up.
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    They have committed to the future. https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/2...arging-network You are a special kind of stupid.
    Charging stations are not generating capacity or transmission lines. Special pleading fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When hundreds of thousands of acres are used for solar panels it is obvious it will cause a food shortage
    More wind generators than solar panels. Neither is really a problem as far as farmland goes.

    Larger farms will often use windmills to pump water up from a nearby source to irrigate their crops. It's a sensible use for them.
    Solar panels are the most expensive method of generating power. Windmills are the 2nd most expensive.

    Neither will produce enough power to charge the fleet of EVs these idiots seem to think is going to be built. They're piddle power.

    A single coal plant will produce more power than a State filled with windmills.


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    It means you're on the right track and you have a lot that is correct and true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When hundreds of thousands of acres are used for solar panels it is obvious it will cause a food shortage
    No way. They are not put on valuable land. Do you think we are running out of open acreage? Do you ever drive outside the city? That is definitely not a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Oh, so you're an idiot. I see.
    You are blind to facts and reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    More wind generators than solar panels. Neither is really a problem as far as farmland goes.

    Larger farms will often use windmills to pump water up from a nearby source to irrigate their crops. It's a sensible use for them.
    Solar panels are the most expensive method of generating power. Windmills are the 2nd most expensive.

    Neither will produce enough power to charge the fleet of EVs these idiots seem to think is going to be built. They're piddle power.

    A single coal plant will produce more power than a State filled with windmills.


    You will notice, though, that the only thing these idiots can do is call you names. They have no argument left. They just post insults...nothing else.
    It means you're on the right track and you have a lot that is correct and true.
    They are taking over hundreds of thousands of farmland. Farmers rent the land out because it pays more than growing crops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    No way. They are not put on valuable land. Do you think we are running out of open acreage? Do you ever drive outside the city? That is definitely not a problem.
    You are ignoring my links then


    https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org...-use-concerns/

    https://therealdeal.com/tristate/202...ar-power-boom/

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ty/8529759002/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    The point of electric cars isn't to save money.
    There was always the possibility that driving would be more expensive with electric cars.

    It's to help save the environment, although I suspect that it's too late now, anyway.
    In all likelihood, humanity is on the brink of merciful extinction,
    so perhaps we should all just do whatever the hell we want.
    And, that's dubious on its own. Those claiming that it will "save the planet" or some such are usually scientific and engineering illiterates parroting favored political dogma.

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