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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    What about prior to the Crimean war?
    You must be playing stupid deliberately.


    Or was it a reaffirmation of sovereign Ukrainian territory since Crimea was part of Ukraine when it was admitted to the UN as a member state?
    Yes, you must be.

    Also, what Kruschev did isn't my problem to reconcile, it's yours.
    Yes, you are. No doubt about it.




    Except that it does matter, according to you.

    So you now have to concede the point that the USSR affirmed Crimea was a part of Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Couple things...

    Firstly, what you're saying here is that the USSR affirmed that Crimea was a part of Ukraine.
    No- Krushev. Illegally. You don't read so good.

    Whether or not YOU think that is fair doesn't matter; the fact of the matter is that when it comes to international and global recognition, Crimea, Donbass and all the other occupied regions are sovereign Ukrainian territory, which means Putin is violating the UN Charter by invading one of its member states.
    That's up for debate- not that it's going to make any difference as the Russians have a Security Council veto. So does Russia's backer, China. What America does for Israel so Russia and China will always do for their own interests.
    You can kiss ALL territories which voted to 'leave Ukraine ' goodbye.
    Unlike the occupied Palestinians, the populations of the Donbas and Crimea voted to rejoin/align with Russia. It's a situation which makes their wishes legitimate. The law states that territory can never be taken/annexed BY FORCE.
    Again, no points for your half-assed grasp of events and the law.

    The UN has not accepted the false referendum because it wasn't conducted by Ukraine, didn't poll everyone who lived in those territories, and was illegal under Ukrainian law.
    The Donbas already declared independence. Russia recognized it. Crimea was legally Russian anyway.

    So you have to reconcile all of that before you can even make the argument that those parts of Ukraine are Russian.
    Done. You are debunked. Go away
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    The Doomsday clock is at its closest ever. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/world...scn/index.html Putin is doing real wrongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The Doomsday clock is at its closest ever. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/world...scn/index.html Putin is doing real wrongs.
    He's defending his people. He has no other option. Sending offensive weapons to help kill them is not a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    You can't go backwards in a circle, only change direction.

    Wrong democrats want us to go backwards where electricity is no longer reliable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    You cannot go further backward. Alternative energy is the future and much of the present. Maybe wood-burning stoves are more your speed. Perhaps coal?
    So the future is black outs and people starving from food shortage because there is no famland since it is all used for renewable energy useless systems that do not produce enough electricity

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    No- Krushev. Illegally. You don't read so good.
    How is it illegal if the USSR did it themselves?

    Because no one forced Kruschev or the Soviet government to do this; they did so on their own, officially.

    Still waiting for something official from you that establishes that territory as Russian and not Ukrainian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    That's up for debate
    No it isn't.

    You don't have anything official that says those regions are a part of Russia, though there is plenty of official shit that establishes those regions as part of Ukraine.

    The USSR thought that it was Ukrainian territory, so you are now also in conflict with what the USSR said, back when it existed.

    The Russia of today is only about 30 years old and has no legitimate claim to anything outside of its borders.


    not that it's going to make any difference as the Russians have a Security Council veto. So does Russia's backer, China. What America does for Israel so Russia and China will always do for their own interests.
    You can kiss ALL territories which voted to 'leave Ukraine ' goodbye.
    How is that going to happen when Russia is clearly losing this war?


    Unlike the occupied Palestinians, the populations of the Donbas and Crimea voted to rejoin/align with Russia.
    That referendum didn't poll all the people in those regions, was illegal under Ukrainian law, and was not recognized by any international body.

    If Israel did the same poll of Israelis in WB, it would turn the same result.

    So it's hypocritical that you attack Israel for making the same claims to WB and Gaza that Russia makes to Crimea and Donbass.


    It's a situation which makes their wishes legitimate. The law states that territory can never be taken/annexed BY FORCE.
    Again, no points for your half-assed grasp of events and the law.
    You can't prove that referendum was legitimate, mostly because it didn't poll all the people who lived there.

    Also, if they want to live in Russia so bad, then move there.


    The Donbas already declared independence. Russia recognized it. Crimea was legally Russian anyway.
    No one else has recognized that, no one else thinks it's legitimate.

    You're also a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Done. You are debunked. Go away
    So where is something official that establishes those regions are a part of Russia?

    Because the USSR didn't think so, and neither did the UN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So the future is black outs and people starving from food shortage because there is no famland since it is all used for renewable energy useless systems that do not produce enough electricity
    There already are blackouts and food shortages under your beloved capitalist system, so shut the fuck up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serendipity View Post
    Don't forget the huge amount of pollution caused by rare earth mining in China and cobalt mining in the Congo.
    And the use of Uyghur slaves in China to mine lithium and to make solar batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    How is it illegal if the USSR did it themselves?

    Because no one forced Kruschev or the Soviet government to do this; they did so on their own, officially.
    Quit playing stupid. I've already told you

    Still waiting for something official from you that establishes that territory as Russian and not Ukrainian.
    It's official in the Donbas, in the Crimea- and most importantly, in Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    No it isn't.

    You don't have anything official that says those regions are a part of Russia, though there is plenty of official shit that establishes those regions as part of Ukraine.

    The USSR thought that it was Ukrainian territory, so you are now also in conflict with what the USSR said, back when it existed.

    The Russia of today is only about 30 years old and has no legitimate claim to anything outside of its borders.
    You're a repetitious fool. You must be bored today, repeating your same old drivel.



    How is that going to happen when Russia is clearly losing this war?
    Russia cannot lose the war. It is nuclear armed.

    You are a Zelensky shill.



    That referendum didn't poll all the people in those regions, was illegal under Ukrainian law, and was not recognized by any international body.
    The referenda polled eveybody that mattered.

    If Israel did the same poll of Israelis in WB, it would turn the same result.
    You are a very dumb ass





    You can't prove that referendum was legitimate, mostly because it didn't poll all the people who lived there.

    Also, if they want to live in Russia so bad, then move there.
    They are there. Russia has accepted them as requested



    No one else has recognized that, no one else thinks it's legitimate.[
    So go complain in Moscow.

    You're also a hypocrite.
    No, not me. Besides, you are to brainwashed to recognize hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    So where is something official that establishes those regions are a part of Russia?

    Because the USSR didn't think so, and neither did the UN.
    Russian law says so. The people were asked- and they spoke.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Quit playing stupid. I've already told you
    It sounds to me like your beef is with the USSR and Kruschev, and not Ukraine.

    Sour grapes is all that is coming from you here.

    You're saying Crimea is not a part of Ukraine while also saying that the USSR lacked the authority to make that a reality.

    How did the USSR lack that authority?

    You: Crimea is a part of Russia

    Me: According to the USSR and UN it's not.

    You: They don't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    It's official in the Donbas, in the Crimea- and most importantly, in Russia.
    Where and when was that officially decreed?

    Because the only official declarations relating to Crimea and Donbass are those of the USSR affirming they are Ukrainian lands.

    Time to show your work, or abandon the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    You're a repetitious fool. You must be bored today, repeating your same old drivel.
    You keep repeating that those parts of Ukraine are Russian, but you have absolutely nothing to support that.

    You have however posted facts that support the position that Crimea is a part of Ukraine, not Russia.

    You haven't posted similar facts to establish that Crimea is a part of Russia.

    All you've done is insist, but that doesn't meet any kind of evidentiary standard, legal or otherwise.

    Your position comes down to Crimea and Donbass are part of Russia because Putin says so.
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