Why do Christians believe in Jesus when He's NOWHERE in the Hebrew Bible?

[Cypress]

Why do you mock God? I have never understood that about your posting style. You lie, bear false witness and are generally a horrible person yet you think you are fooling people into thinking you are some sort of "Christian" and you gild the lily with a bible quote in your signature file....you put it all in there!

So why do YOU do it?

I look at the ethical example Jesus exemplified as a high bar to clear. Most MAGAs will utterly fail at clearing the bar, just like most students in a college class will never attain an A+.

[Doc Dutch]

I guess I don't understand the question in the thread title. Jesus, Paul, Peter lived centuries after the books of the TaNak were written, why would they be expected to be in the Hebrew bible?

I think the questions asks why Jesus wasn’t named in the Torah….prophecies rarely name the actual person who is being prophesied about. It’s always something like “a man will come from the wilderness” or, “a messiah will come from the House of David”. In the case of Jesus, some portions of the Gospels appear to be reengineered to fit the prophesy. His birth in Bethlehem was one. Another was his arrival into Jerusalem on a donkey, which was part of the prophesy. In that case, Jesus may have deliberately arrived in such a manner so as to fit the prophesy.

[Cypress]

I think the questions asks why Jesus wasn’t named in the Torah….prophecies rarely name the actual person who is being prophesied about. It’s always something like “a man will come from the wilderness” or, “a messiah will come from the House of David”. In the case of Jesus, some portions of the Gospels appear to be reengineered to fit the prophesy. His birth in Bethlehem was one. Another was his arrival into Jerusalem on a donkey, which was part of the prophesy. In that case, Jesus may have deliberately arrived in such a manner so as to fit the prophesy.

Oh, I get it now.

Yes, the claims of prophetic predictions of Jesus in the TaNaK are tenuous at best, not credible at worst.

I believe the real reason some of the early xtians wanted to lay claim to the TaNaK is because it gave their fledgling religion legitimacy in the eyes of the Romans. The Romans were suspicious of any new or novel cults, but they tended to be relatively tolerant of ancient traditions like Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc.

[Doc Dutch]

I look at the ethical example Jesus exemplified as a high bar to clear. Most MAGAs will utterly fail at clearing the bar, just like most students in a college class will never attain an A+.

Agreed 100%. I have not seen a single Trumper on this forum who has followed in the footsteps of Christ. They use Christianity as a shield, claim “we all sinners”, never show an ounce of redemption and continue to spread hate within minutes, if not seconds, of declaring they are Christians.

The nutjobs like Sybil, I can understand. They’re irrational. Stone and Pmp are not mental cases…even though I think Pmp may be slipping into some age-related dementia. Regardless, both know the difference between right and wrong yet willfully choose wrong.

[Doc Dutch]

Oh, I get it now.

Yes, the claims of prophetic predictions of Jesus in the TaNaK are tenuous at best, not credible at worst.

I believe the real reason some of the early xtians wanted to lay claim to the TaNaK is because it gave their fledgling religion legitimacy in the eyes of the Romans. The Romans were suspicious of any new or novel cults, but they tended to be relatively tolerant of ancient traditions like Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc.

I can see why they’d want to be seen as a religion, not a cult. The Romans saw them as a threat even though the Romans often tolerated local religions that didn’t get in their way.

Another theory would be the same human nature that drives Christians to both keep believing the Second Coming will arrive in their lifetimes and trying to fit prophesy, such as the Second Coming or Armageddon, into current events. I have little doubt that many early Christians, who were mostly Judeans and Greeks, believed Jesus fit the prophesies.

[Cypress]

Agreed 100%. I have not seen a single Trumper on this forum who has followed in the footsteps of Christ. They use Christianity as a shield, claim “we all sinners”, never show an ounce of redemption and continue to spread hate within minutes, if not seconds, of declaring they are Christians.

The nutjobs like Sybil, I can understand. They’re irrational. Stone and Pmp are not mental cases…even though I think Pmp may be slipping into some age-related dementia. Regardless, both know the difference between right and wrong yet willfully choose wrong.

The preeminent Christian theologian Erasmus said the test of a true christian is whether they emulated the example of Jesus. Every MAGA on this board has not only failed that test, but failed it in spectacular fashion

[Saint Guinefort]

The preeminent Christian theologian Erasmus said the test of a true christian is whether they emulated the example of Jesus. Every MAGA on this board has not only failed that test, but failed it in spectacular fashion

Such is the mighty power of America's ONE TRUE GOD: Mammon.

[PostmodernProphet]

Of course you don't remember. Drinking will do that. lol

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...51#post2755851

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...03#post5019903

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...08#post1037408

You even posted in that last one. But yeah sure, you never.

lol....sorry if I forgot one post I made in 2012..........

I will admit though that the two you linked from 2017 and 2022 do balance out the two started here by atheists today......

[PostmodernProphet]

I have not seen that. I don't believe in the Judeo-Xtian deities either, but I am not an atheist.

I don't recall you ever claimed to be Jewish.....

[PostmodernProphet]

I would think atheist threads are a positive boon to you!

they are......as I said in the post Owl found from 2012....

I've always found that if you let them talk they generally lose the argument all on their own.....

that was especially true in your case.....

[NiftyNiblick]

If I were generally interested in getting the OP's question answered, I'd find some theology expert to ask.

JPP can't even sustain a good discussion about donuts.

I'm neutral on Jesus--he may have existed and even believed that he was the son of God--my lovely grandmothers thought so but neither of them went to college and probably wanted to believe.

I'm far from neutral on donuts, however, and you can't get much info on them over here, either.

[NiftyNiblick]

why do atheists always feel compelled to start threads attacking Christian beliefs?........is it insecurity?.....

I'm an atheist myself,
have no idea what religious beliefs have to do to help or hurt security,
don't think that many Christians adhere to the generally benevolent social ideas in the new testament,
couldn't give a fat fuck about alleged Christian beliefs until they threaten the laws of our land with their influence,
but my question is this:

Why would the Hebrew Bible be the determining factor as to whether or not Jesus of Nazareth (or Brooklyn Heights or wherever the hell he was from) existed?

[Saint Guinefort]

they are......as I said in the post Owl found from 2012....



that was especially true in your case.....

You LOVE to lie!

[Doc Dutch]

The preeminent Christian theologian Erasmus said the test of a true christian is whether they emulated the example of Jesus. Every MAGA on this board has not only failed that test, but failed it in spectacular fashion

Worse, they do it almost daily.

I have never seen a MAGA conduct themselves in a Christian manner longer than the sentence where they claim to be one.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I don't recall you ever claimed to be Jewish.....

Unlike yourself, I have no need to pretend to belong to a faith tradition that I don't adhere to.