Fox News commentator mocked for outrageously blaming slave trade on wind

[Guno צְבִי]

In an opinion piece for The Times entitled The Dystopia We Fear Is Keeping Us From the Utopia We Deserve, Ezra Klein writes that “the advance of wind and solar and battery technology remains a near miracle. The possibilities of advanced geothermal and hydrogen are thrilling. Smaller, modular nuclear reactors could make new miracles possible, like cars and planes that don’t need to be refueled or recharged. This is a world progressives, in particular, should want to hasten into existence”.

“Clean, abundant energy is the foundation on which a more equal, just and humane world can be built,” he added.

Fox News commentator Steve Milloy quoted the last sentence, calling Mr Klein an “airhead”.

“Two points: 1. Wind power made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible. 2. Modern ‘clean’ energy has been a disaster.,” he tweeted on 9 January.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...6eb6a1c47d95d9

[Hawkeye10]

So far so called green energy has resulted in much more expensive and unreliable energy.....this program is killing civilization....but note the Yearning For UTOPIA.

[T. A. Gardner]

Of the two points you (Guano) are taking exception to:

The first, wind power made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible...

This is a complete canard. This is a formal fallacy called Affirming the consequent. Wind power or no wind power, if there was to be a slave trade to the Americas, it could have still taken place. Wind was just more effective at moving ships across the ocean than oars. Steam replaced sails because it was another exponential increase in power. So, this point is bullshit.

The second, Modern clean energy is a disaster. This is true. Wind and solar have proven to conclusively create energy shortages, unreliability in grids, raised costs to prohibitive levels, and in general fucked the nations and populations they have been heavily pressed on.

Mr. Klein is correct in saying, Clean, abundant energy is the foundation on which a more equal, just and humane world can be built, but that energy will have to come in the form of natural gas and nuclear not solar and wind. The later two should be abandoned entirely.

[Hawkeye10]

Of the two points you (Guano) are taking exception to:

The first, wind power made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible...

This is a complete canard. This is a formal fallacy called Affirming the consequent. Wind power or no wind power, if there was to be a slave trade to the Americas, it could have still taken place. Wind was just more effective at moving ships across the ocean than oars. Steam replaced sails because it was another exponential increase in power. So, this point is bullshit.

The second, Modern clean energy is a disaster. This is true. Wind and solar have proven to conclusively create energy shortages, unreliability in grids, raised costs to prohibitive levels, and in general fucked the nations and populations they have been heavily pressed on.

Mr. Klein is correct in saying, Clean, abundant energy is the foundation on which a more equal, just and humane world can be built, but that energy will have to come in the form of natural gas and nuclear not solar and wind. The later two should be abandoned entirely.

I am not at all sure that the slave trade would have been possible with oared ships.

[PoliTalker]

Hello guno,

In an opinion piece for The Times entitled The Dystopia We Fear Is Keeping Us From the Utopia We Deserve, Ezra Klein writes that “the advance of wind and solar and battery technology remains a near miracle. The possibilities of advanced geothermal and hydrogen are thrilling. Smaller, modular nuclear reactors could make new miracles possible, like cars and planes that don’t need to be refueled or recharged. This is a world progressives, in particular, should want to hasten into existence”.

“Clean, abundant energy is the foundation on which a more equal, just and humane world can be built,” he added.

Fox News commentator Steve Milloy quoted the last sentence, calling Mr Klein an “airhead”.

“Two points: 1. Wind power made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible. 2. Modern ‘clean’ energy has been a disaster.,” he tweeted on 9 January.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...6eb6a1c47d95d9

The reason shipping no longer utilizes wind is because it is unpredictable. International trade is highly coordinated and runs on tight port schedules requiring a constant labor supply to load and unload ships.

If they allowed a little extra time to account for wind variability then ships would be experiencing downtime when they come in ahead of worst-case trip times. Ships cost too much money to have them experiencing any downtime. Capitalism requires that they produce maximum results at all times.

The wind patterns did favor shipping product from Africa to the US, but that is only one facet. There had to be a market for the product. There had to be ruthless Southern land owners who could justify purchasing brutally captured and chained other humans to work their land.

[Phantasmal]

I am not at all sure that the slave trade would have been possible with oared ships.

Really, see Vikings and Egyptian slave trade.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Phantasmal,

Really, see Vikings and Egyptian slave trade.

It is what powered Roman ships.

[Phantasmal]

Hello Phantasmal,



It is what powered Roman ships.

Exactly, I used the Vikings in particular because they traveled to the “New World”.

[Mason Michaels]

Exactly, I used the Vikings in particular because they traveled to the “New World”.

I always wondered why it's "the new world" when millions of people lived here?
Call it what it was! An invasion of the Americas by Europe

[Yakuda]

In an opinion piece for The Times entitled The Dystopia We Fear Is Keeping Us From the Utopia We Deserve, Ezra Klein writes that “the advance of wind and solar and battery technology remains a near miracle. The possibilities of advanced geothermal and hydrogen are thrilling. Smaller, modular nuclear reactors could make new miracles possible, like cars and planes that don’t need to be refueled or recharged. This is a world progressives, in particular, should want to hasten into existence”.

“Clean, abundant energy is the foundation on which a more equal, just and humane world can be built,” he added.

Fox News commentator Steve Milloy quoted the last sentence, calling Mr Klein an “airhead”.

“Two points: 1. Wind power made the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible. 2. Modern ‘clean’ energy has been a disaster.,” he tweeted on 9 January.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...6eb6a1c47d95d9

This reminds me of leftist dipshits suggesting that the files found in Brandon's old office and garage were put there by someone else.

[AProudLefty]

This reminds me of leftist dipshits suggesting that the files found in Brandon's old office and garage were put there by someone else.

Oh yeah? Trump said the docs were planted at his roach motel.

Go get fucked royally.

[NiftyNiblick]

Fox News isn't, as any sane person would immediately recognize, news.

Fox News is entertainment for the intellectually and morally deficient, and nothing more.
We don't have the national will or resources to euthanize all of them. so apparently, we try to entertain them instead.
Maybe it helps keep them off the streets.

[Yakuda]

Oh yeah? Trump said the docs were planted at his roach motel.

Go get fucked royally.

Doesn't change the fact that you pond scum are trying to suggest the files were placed there by someone else. You people are intellectual midgets.

[AProudLefty]

Doesn't change the fact that you pond scum are trying to suggest the files were placed there by someone else. You people are intellectual midgets.

Who said that?

[Saint Guinefort]

Who said that?

I have found that the way the Right considers things is to find ONE INSTANCE of some rando saying something and if it meets a minimum threshold of "outrage" it will then become a FACT THAT APPLIES TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE GROUP THEY ARE DEBATING.