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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Jesus would not support gay marriage or abortion so that would be impossible. That is why Christians can't be democrats
    You know this is "true" how, again? He never mentioned either one. BTW, you don't get to decide who's a real Xtian and who isn't; that's God's job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Jesus would not support gay marriage or abortion so that would be impossible. That is why Christians can't be democrats
    Jesus never said anything about gays or abortion.

    Early Christianity discocuraged all marriage and promoted chastity and celibacy as the Christian ideal.

    Jesus also said lusting after women who aren't your wife is a sin, which is what you do everytime you watch porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Trump does not fear the witchhunt that has no evidence
    I hate to have to educate you but when the FBI comes in with a Search Warrant and finds the Top Secret and Confidential material you swore you did not have, that is considered evidence.

    Herp Derp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    You know this is "true" how, again? He never mentioned either one. BTW, you don't get to decide who's a real Xtian and who isn't; that's God's job.


    Read the hebrew law in the Old Testament

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Jesus never said anything about gays or abortion.

    Early Christianity discocuraged all marriage and promoted chastity and celibacy as the Christian ideal.

    Jesus also said lusting after women who aren't your wife is a sin, which is what you do everytime you watch porn.
    Matthew 19 Jesus said marriage is a man and a woman

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    Quote Originally Posted by QP! View Post
    I hate to have to educate you but when the FBI comes in with a Search Warrant and finds the Top Secret and Confidential material you swore you did not have, that is considered evidence.

    Herp Derp.
    Then why haveb no charges been filed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
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    As would the GOP to continue to carry on as if he's responsible for all evil and problems in the country.
    You show you ignore what his policies have caused
    Really? On what post or thread and in what no uncertain terms? Put up or....we'll, you know.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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    We used to talk of the Republican "FoxNews Primary", where Republicans candidates competed to get FoxNews all important endorsement. Now can we talk about the Republican "Moscow Primary."

    This is a show not shown in the USA. There might be one or two Americans on vacation in London who saw it, but this is not the show you would announce on if you want to reach American votes. But it is a show known to be watched by Kremlin English watchers.
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
    Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
    Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Read the hebrew law in the Old Testament
    Or you could try talking to an actual practicing Jew. Jewish law holds that the fetus is not "alive" until birth. Therefore abortion is not immoral or illegal.

    Does Jewish law state that life begins at conception? No, life does not begin at conception under Jewish law. Sources in the Talmud note that the fetus is “mere water” before 40 days of gestation. Following this period, the fetus is considered a physical part of the pregnant individual’s body, not yet having life of its own or independent rights. The fetus is not viewed as separate from the parent’s body until birth begins and the first breath of oxygen into the lungs allows the soul to enter the body.

     Does Jewish law assert that it is possible to murder a fetus? No, Jewish law does not consider a fetus to be alive. The Torah, Exodus 21:22-23, recounts a story of two men who are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, resulting in her subsequent miscarriage. The verse explains that if the only harm done is the miscarriage, then the perpetrator must pay a fine. However, if the pregnant person is gravely injured, the penalty shall be a life for a life as in
    other homicides. The common rabbinical interpretation of this verse is that the men did not commit murder and that the fetus is not a person. The primary concern is the well-being of the person who was injured.
    Source: Judaism and Abortion
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then why haveb no charges been filed?
    Wait, what?


    Herp, derp, derp, you do not even realize that charges, against the powerful more often than not take years to file?

    You think them not yet being filed means anything? Did you somehow miss Trump org just getting convicted of Fraud and its CFO going to jail and how many years that took?

    How are people on this forum arguing here if they do not even know these most basic things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    You know this is "true" how, again? He never mentioned either one. BTW, you don't get to decide who's a real Xtian and who isn't; that's God's job.
    If you believe in god, you have to accept that he makes gays. If you hate gays, you hate god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    If you believe in god, you have to accept that he makes gays. If you hate gays, you hate god.
    IMO this is a logical AND true statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Matthew 19 Jesus said marriage is a man and a woman
    Matthew 19 is about divorce, and the conditions under which divorce can happen, not about gays.

    No church is required under any law to recognize gay marriage. Gay marriage is only strictly legal under civil law.

    I accept your tacit confession that Jesus never mentioned abortion, never mentioned gays, but according to Jesus everytime you watch porn you are sinning against God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Or you could try talking to an actual practicing Jew. Jewish law holds that the fetus is not "alive" until birth. Therefore abortion is not immoral or illegal.



    Source: Judaism and Abortion
    Jesus styled himself a re-interpreter of the Jewish law. The entire Sermon on the Mount is his reinterpretation of Jewish law from the beatitudes, to adultery and divorce, to universal love, almsgiving, the golden rule, materialism, prayer, proscriptions against anger, cursing, and retribution.

    There's nothing about abortion or gays in the Sermon on the Mount, even though it is Jesus' most definitive and comprehensive interpretation of the Jewish law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Jesus styled himself a re-interpreter of the Jewish law. The entire Sermon on the Mount is his reinterpretation of Jewish law from the beatitudes, to adultery and divorce, to universal love, almsgiving, the golden rule, materialism, prayer, proscriptions against anger, cursing, and retribution.

    There's nothing about abortion or gays in the Sermon on the Mount, even though it is Jesus' most definitive and comprehensive interpretation of the Jewish law.
    True.

    Kind of sad that his own self-proclaimed adherents don't understand that He was Jewish, not "Christian."
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