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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I don’t believe they were ever truly Socialist and I think corruption was the prime element for Venezuela’s failure.
    I agree. Only the oil industry was socialized and it can no longer produce without foreign help. The rest of the government is just criminal chaos.

    It used to be one of the successful democracies in Latin America until the oil wealth resulted in corruption and President Perez was impeached and imprisoned followed by Chavez and his rule by decree and taking away civil liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    If the Venezuelan oil industry could produce so great they wouldn't need to bring in Chevron and other foreign oil companies to help them.
    Because they cut spending when they were required to do so in order to get the emergency loans.

    Prior to 2016 and for the first three years of Maduro, VZ's oil production was just fine.

    So they have the capacity to do it, having done it for decades before the price war.

    You ignore the data because you want to be racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is because political corruption ran off the experienced workers and replaced them with political supporters.
    I thought you said it was incompetency, now you're saying it's corruption? Make up your mind.

    If what you are saying is true, then there would have been a gradual decline in VZ's oil production that began when Maduro took over (2013)...but if you look at the chart and data, like I've been asking you to do for a dozen posts now, you see that following Maduro's election, oil production in VZ increased.

    So nothing you are saying is true or supported by the data, and in fact, it appears that the people Maduro replaced the other workers with did an even better job since oil production went up after Maduro took over.

    History. Data. Facts...three things all missing from your argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Why can't they produce now if they were so good in 2015?
    Because they cut all that spending in order to get the emergency loans like you wanted.

    FFS...Jesus Christ are you fucking dumb...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I' racist against other white people? Venezuelans are not a race and neither are Hispanics. They are Caucasian.
    They are Latinx, and you are a fucking racist.


    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Using the RACE CARD is a lazy substitute for debate
    So then why did you do it?

    Because you called the people of VZ "incompetent" because their oil production dropped off, but you don't call the people of TX, OK, and ND incompetent for doing the exact same thing at the exact same time.

    You're just a fucking racist piece of shit, but I've always known that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    If the Venezuelans were capable of producing oil in 2015, why don't they continue that with increased production today?
    Because they cut spending and the spending they cut was around oil production since oil production is what caused this mess in the first fucking place.

    They did exactly what you wanted them to do conditionally to get the loans.

    So once again, you are complaining about a problem for which you are either the cause of and/or the obstacle to solving.

    Every. Fucking. Time.


    You think they are capable of producing oil and gas but can't even feed their own people causing 7 million to flee the country.
    Back in 2015, they were able to do that...but then the price of oil dropped, and so did their tax revenues, which caused deficits that had to be closed by spending cuts in order to get the emergency loans.

    And if you want to talk about not being able to feed people, look no fu5ther than the state of Texas, where 3.5M kids are on some kind of meal voucher program. That's in Texas...so Texas can't even feed their own people without federal subsidies like food stamps and free school lunches.

    But do you call them incompetent? Nope, because you're a racist piece of shit...like I've been saying this whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I don’t believe they were ever truly Socialist and I think corruption was the prime element for Venezuela’s failure.
    Nope.

    Look at the chart...for years, VZ's oil production was just fine.

    In fact, after Maduro was elected, their production INCREASED: https://tradingeconomics.com/venezue...ly%20of%202020.

    So it wasn't corruption that brought VZ's oil production down, it was the price war that was being waged between OPEC and US Shale.

    The data does not suggest corruption unless you want to accuse TX, ND, and OK of that same corruption since those three states also cut their production in 2015-16, at the same time VZ did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I agree. Only the oil industry was socialized and it can no longer produce without foreign help. The rest of the government is just criminal chaos. .
    You have literally NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It used to be one of the successful democracies in Latin America until the oil wealth resulted in corruption
    Wait a second...are you now saying that wealth leads to corruption????

    So then...wouldn't that mean that the wealthy people in the US, who you don't think should pay taxes, are corrupt themselves because of their wealth?

    Or is that something you only reserve for Brown people because you're a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It used to be one of the successful democracies in Latin America until the oil wealth resulted in corruption
    But you can't define what that corruption is or what it even looks like.

    You would also need to say the specific date that VZ was "corrupted" by "oil wealth" given this...and given that Maduro was elected in 2013:



    So which year was it that they magically became "corrupted"? Because the chart there seems to indicate that they never reached that point, since the dropoff in 2016 is what all oil producers experienced.

    I really don't understand how you can make such a stupid argument given the easily-accessible data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libhater View Post
    Energy security is national security, because the opposite of energy independence is energy dependence, as we saw in the lead-up to and early days of Russia's war on Ukraine.

    During the 2020 campaign, Biden earnestly pledged, "I want you to look at my eyes. I guarantee you, I guarantee you, we're going to end fossil fuel." He has worked to make good on that promise. His policies have driven the price of gas and electricity through the roof, threatening the lifeblood of our economy and our security.

    The main sources of energy didn't change all that much from the days of Jesus's disciples to Our American Founders with the main sources of energy were wind, water, fire, and muscle. Then came coal, next came oil and gas, and finally nuclear power. The Industrial Revolution which in of itself made America the most powerful nation on earth, and that Revolution was sparked by fossil fuels which has yielded economic abundance unparalleled in human history.

    Joe Biden and Obama promised that if somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them. Obama also admitted that under his plan, "electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." Hillary pledged that "we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." Bernie Sanders and AOC want to ban hydraulic fracturing, the technology that enabled the U.S. to become the world's top oil and gas producer over the past 2 decades. They also propose a "Green New Deal" to eliminate fossil fuels and nuclear power entirely in the next decade. Joe's cancellation of the Keystone pipeline helped make him America's worst president and unfortunately helped to make America fully energy dependent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    But you can't define what that corruption is or what it even looks like.

    You would also need to say the specific date that VZ was "corrupted" by "oil wealth" given this...and given that Maduro was elected in 2013:

    So which year was it that they magically became "corrupted"? Because the chart there seems to indicate that they never reached that point, since the dropoff in 2016 is what all oil producers experienced.

    I really don't understand how you can make such a stupid argument given the easily-accessible data.
    Venezuela ranks 177/180 nations for the worst corruption.

    Here is some help with your research. You could probably have answered these questions with a little work:

    https://cu.usembassy.gov/nicolas-mad...-in-venezuela/

    .

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/corrup...alex-saab-case

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nicol...arco-terrorism

    https://www.transparency.org/en/countries/venezuela

    https://www.cato.org/commentary/corr...racy-venezuela

    https://www.hrw.org/world-report/202...ters/venezuela

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36319877

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Wait a second...are you now saying that wealth leads to corruption????

    So then...wouldn't that mean that the wealthy people in the US, who you don't think should pay taxes, are corrupt themselves because of their wealth?

    Or is that something you only reserve for Brown people because you're a racist?
    Simplistic crap based on no facts or anything I actually said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Venezuela ranks 177/180 nations for the worst corruption.
    OK, but that doesn't explain the sudden drop in oil production in 2016 that all oil producers experienced.

    Explain the chart, Flash.

    Maduro was elected in 2013...sure looks like three years of consistently high oil production, then a sudden drop.

    You would have us believe that sudden drop is because of Maduro or ambivalent "corruption", but that doesn't explain similar drops in other oil producing states and countries.



    And when it comes to corruption, it's always oil companies paying bribes, not the other way around:

    Five of the oil and gas industry’s biggest scandals
    https://www.offshore-technology.com/...stry-scandals/

    World’s Largest Oil Traders Caught In Global Corruption Scandal
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...n-Scandal.html

    Glencore fined $314 million for ‘endemic’ bribery of African oil officials
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/03/inves...ine/index.html

    What was it you were saying about corruption and oil wealth?

    So Flash, how come oil wealth can "corrupt" the government of Venezuela, but it can't corrupt an oil company?


    What is your racist explanation for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    They are Latinx, and you are a fucking racist.

    So then why did you do it?

    Because you called the people of VZ "incompetent" because their oil production dropped off, but you don't call the people of TX, OK, and ND incompetent for doing the exact same thing at the exact same time.

    You're just a fucking racist piece of shit, but I've always known that.
    Never called the "people of Venezuela" incompetent. I called the corrupt government incompetent by destroying the oil industry and they're not doing that great with food or other functions.

    The "people of Venezuela" are leaving (7 million) the country. Are they racist for leaving because they can't eat.

    Why are you protecting a corrupt government taking away civil liberties while overlooking the crisis faced by Venezuela citizens? You care more about corrupt politicians than the people

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