Settling the Biological Virus Debate

[Lightbringer]

I remember the propaganda against the covid virus and vaccines. Perhaps you're talking about something else?

Nope.

[AProudLefty]

Nope.

No? This is what you said:

The government got caught paying media outlets to spread propaganda. Safe and effective. That's what's wrong.

You made a claim that the vaccine being "safe and effective" is a propaganda.

It should be easily proven.

[Lightbringer]

No? This is what you said:



You made a claim that the vaccine being "safe and effective" is a propaganda.

It should be easily proven.

Prove it then.

[AProudLefty]

Prove it then.

Heh. Caught up with the Christmas spirit, huh? I am with you, bro.

[Lightbringer]

Heh. Caught up with the Christmas spirit, huh? I am with you, bro.

I'm the Grinch.

[AProudLefty]

I'm the Grinch.

Brush your teeth before you meet Cindy Lou.

[Lightbringer]

Brush your teeth before you meet Cindy Lou.

No.

[AProudLefty]

No.

Brush your teeth or get the fuck out of there!

[Lightbringer]

Brush your teeth or get the fuck out of there!

You should be saying this to primavera.

[AProudLefty]

You should be saying this to primavera.

Oh gosh I wouldn't want to know what that guy got in his mouth from all those Thai whores.

[Lightbringer]

Oh gosh I wouldn't want to know what that guy got in his mouth from all those Thai whores.

[Phoenyx]

I haven't seen any evidence that "not many" regular people believed that, but perhaps we can agree that it's not the most important matter and certainly isn't the main subject of this thread.

That doesn't change the fact that thinking that slavery was ok was a logical failing of many people not so long ago. Since then, most people have come to see the truth.

Various people have claimed that they exist over the years. But simply claiming that something is true doesn't make it so.

Some articles you may find interesting:
Even the “Smallpox Vaccine Success Story” appears to be a total fabrication! | stateofthenation.co

Polio Vaccine Causing Polio Outbreaks in Africa, WHO Admits | Children's Health Defense

I am going to ask you this question: if it isn't the viruses that cause those diseases with symptoms, then what are the sources?

I don't know. That being said, as Sherlock Holmes said: "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." I took a brief look online to find an article that summarizes what I believe are the main causes of disease:

10 Primary Causes of Disease and Dysfunction | drbenkim.com

While the title of his article says there are 10 primary causes of disease, there are actually just 3 main categories, other than the process of aging itself:
Injury, Toxicity and Deficiency.

I believe that any disease would be as a result of one or more of those 3 conditions.

And how were those diseases spread not just locally but national wide and globally?

This is your opportunity to use science to present your evidence of those diseases being caused by internal and/or external factors other than pathogens.

Not knowing the specifics as to what causes a disease and how it's spread doesn't mean that biological viruses must therefore be the cause.

[Phoenyx]

How was a disease spread globally in 1918?

I'm pretty sure you're referring to the Spanish flu. Conventional wisdom is that it was caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

There is, however, an alternative theory that I believe accounts for much if not all of this pandemic, as well as flu pandemics both before and after it- the rise of human produced electromagnetic discharges, whether from electricity or radio waves. The 1918 pandemic followed the rise of the use radio closely. I first learned of this theory from a book called The Invisible Rainbow. There are articles on this, one of which is here, which adds another twist, namely that vaccines played a part in its deadliness:

The 1918 “Spanish Flu”: Only The Vaccinated Died | birthofanewearthblog.com

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I'm guessing you mean that she is no longer licensed to practice allopathic medicine? If so, could you present an article which presents evidence that this is true?

Either she is no longer licensed to practice medicine or she lied to the court in New Zealand.
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/asset...-NZHC-3168.pdf

She
has not held a practising certificate since May 2021. She does not currently practice
as a General Practitioner.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You already agreed that various diseases are caused by something other than a virus. That doesn't prove that all diseases aren't caused by a virus.

Oh, look. You built a strawman. Smallpox is NOT all diseases. Did you enjoy beating the stuffing out of that straw man you built?
Now if you are able and want to prove you are a thinking human being and not a troll, you can provide evidence that a disease believed to be caused by a virus is actually caused by something else.

That doesn't mean that diseases alleged to be caused by a biological virus are actually caused by a biological virus.

If you want to prove they aren't caused by a virus then you need to give evidence of another cause. Right now in the real world the majority of the evidence points to viruses existing and causing disease. You are making an extraordinary claim while providing zero evidence. You are simply doing the dance that every conspiracy nut does. You refuse to provide evidence in support of your claim, discount any evidence that disputes your claim and then demand that others provide a higher standard of evidence than you are willing to apply to yourself.

At the risk of devating somewhat from the point of this thread, I think it'd be good to try to establish some type of agreement as to what the 2 words that make up "conspiracy theory" mean. I think we could perhaps agree on the law definition of conspiracy for our purposes here. I think the Wikitionary definition serves our purposes here:
**
The act of two or more persons, called conspirators, working secretly to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations.
**

Look. The equivocation fallacy again. you seem to rely on that one a lot too.

Source:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy

As to theory, there are numerous definitions as can be seen below:
https://www.wordnik.com/words/theory

As you can see, there are definitions for theory that run the gamut from definitions such as "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena", all the way to assumptions and conjecture.

I came up with a definition a while back that I think takes these various definitions into account:
A theory is an educated guess, as far as one's education on the subject goes. Thus, their are good theories and bad ones. It all depends on the evidence they have in their favour.

When we put the words conspiracy and theory together, we get to the point where we should be able to see that there can be both well evidenced conspiracy theories, as well as poorly evidence conspiracy theories. I personally tend to shy away from ones that have little if any evidence. Now, hopefully we can get back to the -actual- point of this thread, which is discussion in the evidence, or lack thereof, of biological viruses.

ROFLMAO,. So you decide that it is an original argument to simply make up your own definitions of phrases based on parsing the words so you can avoid the actual meaning. You are acting as a troll at this point. You have no argument to make but only avoidance as long as you can.