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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Some are for the liberty of the states to determine issues such as marriage and abortion. That does not mean they are against abortion or gay marriage.
    Yes, it does. They know lots of right-wing states will not allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Yes, it does. They know lots of right-wing states will not allow it.
    That does not mean they favor those policies just because some states will enact them. Some have a higher loyalty to the Constitution than to their own policy preferences.

    And, in some cases, the policies do not actually prohibit it. For example, the Dobbs case was about the MS law that prohibits abortion after 15 weeks. About 96-97% of abortions occur before 15 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    take all those deficits......add them together.......include the deficits of every other president ever elected.......now double it......we call that the Obama presidency......
    Your math sucks.

    Debt is the accumulated deficits that haven't been paid off. Debt assigned to Presidents is usually calculated on fiscal years. Fiscal years start in October. A President normally signs the budget for the year they leave office. Budget is due in October of 2008 for Fiscal year 2009. Incoming President signs spending in October of 2009 for fiscal year 2010.
    Obama would be responsible for debt from years 2010-2018, Trump for 2019-2022


    But just to humor you and show how silly your math is we will use your link that uses end of year debt.
    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/nati...events-3306287
    We will ignore that the President doesn't take office until a month after the debt in December and doesn't affect any spending until they actually sign a spending bill.

    Debt at end of 2008 - $10,025 (All numbers expressed in billions of dollars)
    Debt at end of 2016 - $19,573
    Obama did not add double the previous debt, let alone the debt for all other Presidents combined as your idiotic post claims. Perhaps you just don't know how math problems are expressed. Perhaps you meant to say Obama added almost the same as all previous Presidents except that isn't what you said.

    But now lets look at the Trump years.
    Debt at end of 2016 - $19,573
    Debt at end of 2020 - $27,748
    Trump's debt for only 4 years was - $8,175
    We add up the deficits of all Presidents not called Obama or Biden and we get a total debt of $18,200
    Debt added during Obama years - $9,548
    The debt added during Obama years is not double the other Presidents combined, It isn't even equal the other Presidents combined. Obama's spending over 8 years looks pretty cheap compared to the spending for 4 years of Trump.
    Pardoning the Bad, is injuring the Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Try reading the posts your handlers get for you. The national debt grew from 20 trillion to 29 trillion during the trump years
    the link you quoted says your numbers are not true.....sorry.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Debt at end of 2008 - $10,025 (All numbers expressed in billions of dollars)
    Debt at end of 2016 - $19,573
    Obama did not add double the previous debt
    fair.....he was 4.8% short.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    That does not mean they favor those policies just because some states will enact them. Some have a higher loyalty to the Constitution than to their own policy preferences.

    And, in some cases, the policies do not actually prohibit it. For example, the Dobbs case was about the MS law that prohibits abortion after 15 weeks. About 96-97% of abortions occur before 15 weeks.
    Abortion was not a problem in revolutionary days. https://www.plannedparenthoodaction....h-care-america The constitution is silent on abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    fair.....he was 4.8% short.....
    Are you arguing that Trump was never President?

    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    take all those deficits......add them together.......include the deficits of every other president ever elected.......now double it......we call that the Obama presidency......
    Pardoning the Bad, is injuring the Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Trump's debt for only 4 years was - $8,175
    $4.5T of which was unbudgeted covid relief.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Are you arguing that Trump was never President?
    nope......just pointing out that Obama's increase of $9.8T is only 4.8% short of "doubling".....that happened BEFORE Trump was president.......obviously you are being petty......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Abortion was not a problem in revolutionary days. https://www.plannedparenthoodaction....h-care-america The constitution is silent on abortion.
    The Constitution is silent on all personal behavior. It is up to federal or state legislation to regulate behavior unless it is a "right" the Constitution prohibits government from restricting.

    This is not revolutionary war days (I don't understand your point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    It could but it wouldn't be true. Biden seems determined to replicate the energy disaster in California nationwide.
    How so? We are pumping more oil today than we have ever done in history. Blew away the record set under Trump. Right now under BIDEN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    How so? We are pumping more oil today than we have ever done in history. Blew away the record set under Trump. Right now under BIDEN!
    So why did Biden go cap in hand to the Saudis and Venezuelans to beg for oil?

    https://www.realclearenergy.org/arti...sm_858262.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The Constitution is silent on all personal behavior. It is up to federal or state legislation to regulate behavior unless it is a "right" the Constitution prohibits government from restricting.

    This is not revolutionary war days (I don't understand your point).
    Abortion has been around forever. It was never a problem until the Christian taliban made it one. States should not have the power to legislate personal harmless choice and make it a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    So why did Biden go cap in hand to the Saudis and Venezuelans to beg for oil?
    For the rest of the world asshole. Facts are facts, we are pumping more oil right now than at ANY TIME under Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    nope......just pointing out that Obama's increase of $9.8T is only 4.8% short of "doubling".....that happened BEFORE Trump was president.......obviously you are being petty......
    Why do you even bother with that twat?

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