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    Default How antisemitism became an American crisis

    Jews have always been fleeing, but America was the country from which Jews would never have to flee. They fled from Eastern Europe, Germany and the Soviet Union (as my family did in the 1980s). They settled on the Lower East Side of Manhattan and in West Philadelphia. They opened delis in Denver and Indianapolis. They went to Ivy League colleges and played in the NFL.

    And now, suddenly, after all this time, after so many waves of assimilation and acceptance, after “Seinfeld” and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, many American Jews have come to feel like strangers in their own home.

    "America was our promised land but we might not be safe here anymore,” the artist Deborah Kass recently wrote, expressing a sentiment that is increasingly voiced at synagogues, where armed guards are now commonplace, and at Shabbat tables, where younger American Jews are suddenly facing anxieties that had supposedly been expunged several generations ago.

    Not so. One of America’s most successfully assimilated minorities is being yanked out of its hard-won comfort zone, astonishing Jewish scholars and religious leaders, as well as extremism experts who see the sharp spike in antisemitism as a symptom of deeper social malaise that could threaten other groups — and American democracy itself.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-antis...174246445.html
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    Since then, the question has taken on even more urgency. Last week, having just announced his third run for president, former President Donald Trump hosted a Thanksgiving dinner at his South Florida estate with two of the most prominent antisemites in the United States: white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and rapper-entrepreneur Kanye West.



    It was not Trump’s first flirtation with antisemitism or antisemites. Steve Bannon — his last campaign manager in 2016 and, afterward, his chief White House political strategist — was frequently denounced for use of classic antisemitic tropes (“globalists,” “international bankers,” etc.). Trump’s administration also harbored figures like Sebastian Gorka, proudly affiliated with a pro-Nazi outfit in his native Hungary, and Darren Beattie, who openly consorted with far-right extremists. Just days after taking office in 2017.
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    This trend was increasing even before the Four Long Years of Sorrow, but Der Gropingfuehrer fed it red meat. The Reichwing has always despised American Jews, while practically worshiping Israeli Jews. But now they're acting on that hate.

    It seems like fascism arises when the citizens get complacent, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This trend was increasing even before the Four Long Years of Sorrow, but Der Gropingfuehrer fed it red meat. The Reichwing has always despised American Jews, while practically worshiping Israeli Jews. But now they're acting on that hate.

    It seems like fascism arises when the citizens get complacent, doesn't it?
    worshiping Israeli Jews
    And that is tied up in their end times fantasies
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    I've been reading an awful lot about anti-Jewish sentiment becoming a major problem.

    That's pretty bad if it's true, and it must be because why would anybody make it up?

    The thing is, I haven't personally seem it.
    My Jewish friends in Boston don't seem to be walking around in Kevlar.

    I live in a community where ethnic slurs are used routinely, people even referring to their own ethnicities with ethnic slurs,
    simply because city people think that it's a funny way to talk.

    "Arnie, you motherfucking hebe, when are we getting together for lunch?"

    I understand that none of you are talking about unwoke silliness--you're talking about actual antisemitism.

    Where is it happening most prominently--red states? Except for Florida, do they have that many Jews?

    I'm not denying that the problem exists, nor am I denying that's it's unacceptable if it does,
    but I really don't see it to any great extent in my admittedly semi-isolationist life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    I've been reading an awful lot about anti-Jewish sentiment becoming a major problem.

    That's pretty bad if it's true, and it must be because why would anybody make it up?

    The thing is, I haven't personally seem it.
    My Jewish friends in Boston don't seem to be walking around in Kevlar.

    I live in a community where ethnic slurs are used routinely, people even referring to their own ethnicities with ethnic slurs,
    simply because city people think that it's a funny way to talk.

    "Arnie, you motherfucking hebe, when are we getting together for lunch?"

    I understand that none of you are talking about unwoke silliness--you're talking about actual antisemitism.

    Where is it happening most prominently--red states? Except for Florida, do they have that many Jews?

    I'm not denying that the problem exists, nor am I denying that's it's unacceptable if it does,
    but I really don't see it to any great extent in my admittedly semi-isolationist life.
    There is a lot that isn't reported in the press , As a member of a Jewish federation we hear from other Synagogues and individuals across the country, It isn't like germany in the 30' and 40's but most of us had families murdered and it all started out with what we are seeing and hearing now

    Growing up we never had to have hardened Synagogues (multiple layers of security) It was low key like the catholic school kids chasing us to try to beat us for killing their jesus ( this was pre vatican II)

    Now it is becoming mainstream in trumps party
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Jews have always been fleeing, but America was the country from which Jews would never have to flee. They fled from Eastern Europe, Germany and the Soviet Union (as my family did in the 1980s). They settled on the Lower East Side of Manhattan and in West Philadelphia. They opened delis in Denver and Indianapolis. They went to Ivy League colleges and played in the NFL.

    And now, suddenly, after all this time, after so many waves of assimilation and acceptance, after “Seinfeld” and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, many American Jews have come to feel like strangers in their own home.

    "America was our promised land but we might not be safe here anymore,” the artist Deborah Kass recently wrote, expressing a sentiment that is increasingly voiced at synagogues, where armed guards are now commonplace, and at Shabbat tables, where younger American Jews are suddenly facing anxieties that had supposedly been expunged several generations ago.

    Not so. One of America’s most successfully assimilated minorities is being yanked out of its hard-won comfort zone, astonishing Jewish scholars and religious leaders, as well as extremism experts who see the sharp spike in antisemitism as a symptom of deeper social malaise that could threaten other groups — and American democracy itself.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-antis...174246445.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Jews have always been fleeing, but America was the country from which Jews would never have to flee. They fled from Eastern Europe, Germany and the Soviet Union (as my family did in the 1980s). They settled on the Lower East Side of Manhattan and in West Philadelphia. They opened delis in Denver and Indianapolis. They went to Ivy League colleges and played in the NFL.

    And now, suddenly, after all this time, after so many waves of assimilation and acceptance, after “Seinfeld” and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, many American Jews have come to feel like strangers in their own home.

    "America was our promised land but we might not be safe here anymore,” the artist Deborah Kass recently wrote, expressing a sentiment that is increasingly voiced at synagogues, where armed guards are now commonplace, and at Shabbat tables, where younger American Jews are suddenly facing anxieties that had supposedly been expunged several generations ago.

    Not so. One of America’s most successfully assimilated minorities is being yanked out of its hard-won comfort zone, astonishing Jewish scholars and religious leaders, as well as extremism experts who see the sharp spike in antisemitism as a symptom of deeper social malaise that could threaten other groups — and American democracy itself.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-antis...174246445.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Jews have always been fleeing, but America was the country from which Jews would never have to flee. They fled from Eastern Europe, Germany and the Soviet Union (as my family did in the 1980s). They settled on the Lower East Side of Manhattan and in West Philadelphia. They opened delis in Denver and Indianapolis. They went to Ivy League colleges and played in the NFL.

    And now, suddenly, after all this time, after so many waves of assimilation and acceptance, after “Seinfeld” and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, many American Jews have come to feel like strangers in their own home.

    "America was our promised land but we might not be safe here anymore,” the artist Deborah Kass recently wrote, expressing a sentiment that is increasingly voiced at synagogues, where armed guards are now commonplace, and at Shabbat tables, where younger American Jews are suddenly facing anxieties that had supposedly been expunged several generations ago.

    Not so. One of America’s most successfully assimilated minorities is being yanked out of its hard-won comfort zone, astonishing Jewish scholars and religious leaders, as well as extremism experts who see the sharp spike in antisemitism as a symptom of deeper social malaise that could threaten other groups — and American democracy itself.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-antis...174246445.html
    It's quite clear and easy to see. It's grown out of the hatred for jews at universities across America and we have known for decades that leftists generally HATE Jews.
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    Judaism is racism made into a religion.

    it's prima facie repugnant.

    they can keep on believing that.

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