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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    More precipitation in the form of rain and snow is precisely a prediction of global warming.

    Warming oceans increase the amount of evaporation to the atmosphere, and warmer air can hold more moisture
    Apparently droughts and dustbowls are predictions as well, you might as well throw in the kitchen sink whilst you're about it. Yet it wasn't that long ago that those all knowing climate soothsayers were predicting the end of snow.

    Winter scenes of settled snow could become a thing of the past due to climate change, according to the Met Office.

    An analysis suggests by the 2040s the South of England will no longer see freezing days. And by 2080 only very high ground and parts of northern Scotland could experience sub-zero daytime temperatures.

    The Met Office warned sledging and snowball fights could be consigned to history without action to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions.

    The full extent of the analysis is due to be revealed on BBC Panorama: Britain's Wild Weather, this evening.
    Dr Lizzie Kendon, a Met Office scientist who worked on the projections, told the show: 'We're saying by the end of the century much of the lying snow will have disappeared entirely except over the highest ground.
    'The overarching picture is warmer, wetter winters; hotter, drier summers. But within that, we get this shift towards more extreme events, so more frequent and intense extremes, so heavier rainfall when it occurs.
    'It's a big change... in the course of our lifetime.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Apparently droughts and dustbowls are predictions as well, you might as well throw in the kitchen sink whilst you're about it. Yet it wasn't that long ago that those all knowing climate soothsayers were predicting the end of snow.

    Winter scenes of settled snow could become a thing of the past due to climate change, according to the Met Office.

    An analysis suggests by the 2040s the South of England will no longer see freezing days. And by 2080 only very high ground and parts of northern Scotland could experience sub-zero daytime temperatures.

    The Met Office warned sledging and snowball fights could be consigned to history without action to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions.

    The full extent of the analysis is due to be revealed on BBC Panorama: Britain's Wild Weather, this evening.
    Dr Lizzie Kendon, a Met Office scientist who worked on the projections, told the show: 'We're saying by the end of the century much of the lying snow will have disappeared entirely except over the highest ground.
    'The overarching picture is warmer, wetter winters; hotter, drier summers. But within that, we get this shift towards more extreme events, so more frequent and intense extremes, so heavier rainfall when it occurs.
    'It's a big change... in the course of our lifetime.'
    It sounds like you were not aware of the basic physical and hydrologic properties of air and ocean, until my post forced you to start frantically Googling for info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Priceless, just priceless!!
    Mindless, just mindless ^^^.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    It sounds like you were not aware of the basic physical and hydrologic properties of air and ocean, until my post forced you to start frantically Googling for info.
    Always with the passive aggressive bullshit, you never change. Sounds like you're unaware of the PDO, El Nino and La Niña interactions.

    Changes in the relative frequency of El Nino and La Niña events are tied to changes in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, PDO.

    When the PDO is positive as it was from circa 1975-2000 El Nino’s dominated which led to global temperatures increasing. When the PDO is negative as it has been for most of this century La Niña's dominated and there was little if any warming, and even some cooling, as happened in the previous negative phase of the PDO (1945-1975).

    What causes the PDO to change from positive to negative (or vice versa) is not known. If scientists don’t know what drives these changes then they can’t possibly predict what it will do next.
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    Default Snow Extent in the Northern Hemisphere in November 2022 Among the Highest in 56 years

    Yes, that's why scientists (real ones, not right-wing corporate sponsored shills) realized they needed to stop calling it global warming and began referring to it in a way that made more sense to the public.

    Ergo, extreme levels of snow in Northern hemisphere = climate change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Yes, that's why scientists (real ones, not right-wing corporate sponsored shills) realized they needed to stop calling it global warming and began referring to it in a way that made more sense to the public.

    Ergo, extreme levels of snow in Northern hemisphere = climate change.
    Kind of like changing the definition of a vaccine? You retards are hilarious. Then there's this:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/us/gl...rnd/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Kind of like changing the definition of a vaccine? You retards are hilarious. Then there's this:
    Nobody changed the definition of anything.

    Too bad you lack the linguistic skills and comprehension required to take part in mature, adult conversations.

    But then again, you are a yakuda, after all so, no surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Always with the passive aggressive bullshit, you never change. Sounds like you're unaware of the PDO, El Nino and La Niña interactions.

    Changes in the relative frequency of El Nino and La Niña events are tied to changes in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, PDO.

    When the PDO is positive as it was from circa 1975-2000 El Nino’s dominated which led to global temperatures increasing. When the PDO is negative as it has been for most of this century La Niña's dominated and there was little if any warming, and even some cooling, as happened in the previous negative phase of the PDO (1945-1975).

    What causes the PDO to change from positive to negative (or vice versa) is not known. If scientists don’t know what drives these changes then they can’t possibly predict what it will do next.
    Unlike you, I don't have to frantically google for info and paste it here passing it off as your own thoughts.

    I am aware that regional variation in drought and precipitation depend on many complex orographic, adiabatic, and barometric properties of the local atmosphere.

    But when you started this thread you seemed genuinely ignorant of the fact that warmer oceans and warmer air lead to more evaporation and air moisture content, locally contributing to heavier precipitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post


    Sober up, maggot

    Your frantic searches for capitalism-supportive climatic anomalies are boring.

    Global warming is a reality. Its devastation is undeniable.
    Any Mammon-worshiping asshole can buy/ fabricate ' data ' to support their stock portfolios. Drought, floods , fires and rising seas cannot be faked.
    It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
    it is not possible to measure the global sea level.

    Buzzword fallacies. Argument from randU fallacy. Discard of science. Discard of mathematics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    More precipitation in the form of rain and snow is precisely a prediction of global warming.

    Warming oceans increase the amount of evaporation to the atmosphere, and warmer air can hold more moisture
    So a flood is a drought. Gotit.

    It is not possible to measure the temperature of the oceans. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Redefinition fallacies (evaporation<->precipitation, hot<->cold, flood<->drought).
    No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    It sounds like you were not aware of the basic physical and hydrologic properties of air and ocean, until my post forced you to start frantically Googling for info.
    It is YOU ignoring physics. You are ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
    Redefinition fallacy (evaporation<->precipitation, hot<->cold).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Always with the passive aggressive bullshit, you never change. Sounds like you're unaware of the PDO, El Nino and La Niña interactions.

    Changes in the relative frequency of El Nino and La Niña events are tied to changes in the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, PDO.

    When the PDO is positive as it was from circa 1975-2000 El Nino’s dominated which led to global temperatures increasing. When the PDO is negative as it has been for most of this century La Niña's dominated and there was little if any warming, and even some cooling, as happened in the previous negative phase of the PDO (1945-1975).

    What causes the PDO to change from positive to negative (or vice versa) is not known. If scientists don’t know what drives these changes then they can’t possibly predict what it will do next.
    The cause of PDO is known. It is normal variance of the equatorial counter-current. Some years it flows freely, in others it gets pinched off by the equatorial currents. It is not warming or cooling of the ocean. It is simply where the warm water from the equatorial counter current winds up (either western or eastern Pacific).

    It changes each year as the Sun passes the equator. It's like trying to predict the weather. The winter cycle (for Northern hemisphere) is the one typically used by the press.

    El Nino events are marked by a split in the jet stream, where the southern stream crosses straight across Southern California, the deserts, and the Southern U.S., bring with it more rain. The deserts bloom in such years. Grasshoppers in the desert get water to breed as well, creating locust colonies further north. Washouts are more common in these areas, mostly due to poor building codes and poor road construction, and the thin topsoil in the desert. Hurricane season tends to more calm as well, as the split jet stream cuts the heads off of tropical storms before they can develop into a hurricane.

    La Nina events are marked by the jet stream swinging further south more often, as low after low crosses the Pacific Northwest. Typically more snow is common in these years in the NW, due to exposure to the Fraser River offshore breezes (what we call 'Chinook' winds).
    Northern California also tends to see more snow, again caused primarily by offshore winds (what they call 'Santa Ana' winds).

    Neither means the Earth is warming. It is simply where the warm waters from the equatorial counter-current wind up. A similar equatorial current pair and an equatorial counter current occurs in the Atlantic, but this smaller ocean has limited effect, and mostly on Europe.

    The PDO has been around long before anyone bothered to measure it. El Nino (or the Child) typically felt it's presence in mid to late December in Mexico (along the Pacific coast), when fishing was diminished due to warm water snuffing out the usual nutrient cold water rising from below. Colder water appears in the western Pacific, near Australia, causing some of the coral to die off. No worries...it recovers in a year or two.

    La Nina is the exact opposite. Warm water builds up on the western Pacific, leaving nutrient rich cold water rising by Mexico, along with abundant fishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Yes, that's why scientists (real ones, not right-wing corporate sponsored shills) realized they needed to stop calling it global warming and began referring to it in a way that made more sense to the public.

    Ergo, extreme levels of snow in Northern hemisphere = climate change.
    Religion isn't science, dude, no matter what you call yourselves. The Church of Global Warming denies and discards science and mathematics.

    Science has no religion. It has no politics. It is not people at all. Science is not scientists. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

    No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are STILL ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
    It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Nobody changed the definition of anything.
    Lie. You try to redefine words all the time. Mostly you favor meaningless buzzwords, though.
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    Extreme weather is part of what the scientists predicted.

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