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    we must stop pretending gender is WHOLLY a social construct.

    thats fucking bullshit.


    the rest is a post modernist/ cultural marxist word game of idiocy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed that one reason why Hillary lost was that Bernie voters stayed home. Similarly, one reason why Trump lost in 2020 and the Republican Red Wave failed is due to disenchanted Republican voters staying home.
    Yes, it didn't much matter in most states, but in the state that Hillary needed to win, Wisconsin, it was definitely the case. Bernie was very popular in that state!

    Wisconsin was radicalized during the Obama years by some very bad and poor excuses for Republicans during the run-up to Trump and all the way through the Trump era.

    JUST NOW GOT THEIR SHIT BACK ON TRACK in the Mid-Terms!

    Thanks Bernie supporters for starting to vote again and help save our country! Stick with us Democrats, we will not let you down, and THANKS AGAIN!
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    humans are a sexually dimorphic species.

    this is science.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    SINCE DAY ONE of DOnald Trump's presidency, I have been baffled by one mystery: Why do working-class white men—the most reliable component of Donald Trump’s base—support someone who is, by their own standards, the least masculine man ever to hold the modern presidency? The question is not whether Trump fails to meet some archaic or idealized version of masculinity. The president’s inability to measure up to Marcus Aurelius or Omar Bradley is not the issue. Rather, the question is why so many of Trump’s working-class white male voters refuse to hold Trump to their own standards of masculinity—why they support a man who behaves more like a little boy- or even beyond that- A LITTLE SPOILED RICH BRAT THAT NEVER GOT A SPANKING! Like the child you often hear screaming at the top of their lings at the Grocery store because his MOMMY won't let him have some candy!

    I am a son of the working class, and I know these cultural standards. The men I grew up with think of themselves as pretty tough guys, and most of them are. They are not the products of elite universities and cosmopolitan living. These are men whose fathers and grandfathers came from a culture that looks down upon lying, cheating, and bragging, especially about sex or courage.

    Not every working-class male voted for Trump, and not all of them have these traits, of course. And I do not present these beliefs and attitudes as uniformly virtuous in themselves. Some of these traditional masculine virtues have a dark side: Toughness and dominance become bullying and abuse; self-reliance becomes isolation; silence becomes internalized rage. Rather, I am noting that courage, honesty, respect, an economy of words, a bit of modesty, and a willingness to take responsibility are all virtues prized by the self-identified class of hard-working men, the stand-up guys, among whom I was raised.

    And yet, many of these same men expect none of those characteristics from Trump, who is a vain, cowardly, lying, vulgar, jabbering blowhard. Put another way, as a question I have asked many of the men I know: Is Trump a man your father and grandfather would have respected?

    I should point out here that I am not criticizing Trump’s manifest lack of masculinity solely because he offends my personal sense of maleness. He does, of course. But then again, a lot about the president offends me, as a man, and as an American.

    Trump behaves in ways that many working-class men would ridicule: “He wears bronzer, shits on a toilet made out of 24k solid Gold, is obsessed with his physical appearance (check out the strange comb-over folks), whines constantly, can't control his emotions, wags his wife around like a SEXUAL TROPHY, Said, "I would marry my daughter had she not been my daughter and BTW, SHE HAS NICE BEASTS". Real men would never make sexual comments about their daughters!

    I am not a psychologist, BUT I AM WILLING TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK!But, I cannot adjudicate the theories of male behavior that might explain some of this. Others have tried. Two researchers who looked back at the 2016 presidential election suggested that support for Trump was higher in areas where there were more internet searches for topics such as “erectile dysfunction,” “how to get girls,” and “penis enlargement” than in pro–Hillary Clinton areas of the country. (One can only hope that correlation is not causation.) The idea that insecure men support bullies and authoritarians is a sign of SEX GONE SOUR. To reduce all of this to sexual inadequacy, however, is too facile. It cannot explain why millions of men look the other way when Trump acts in ways they would typically find shameful. Nor is arguing that Trump is a bad person and therefore that the people who support him are either brainwashed or also bad people helpful. He is, and some of them are. But that doesn’t explain why men who would normally ostracize someone like Trump continue to embrace him.

    In order to think about why these men support Trump, one must first grasp how deeply they are betraying their own definition of masculinity by looking more closely at the flaws they should, in principle, find revolting.

    Is Trump honorable? This is a man who routinely refused to pay working people their due wages, and then lawyered them into the ground when they objected to being exploited. Trump is a rich downtown bully, the sort most working men usually hate. He has filed Bankrupt 6 times now, and leaving many investors holding the tab for millions upon millions of dollars they trusted to him, leaving workers and staff unpaid for their services and without paychecks. Yet he maintains a lavish lifestyle while floating his Billionaire status.

    But even if we excuse Trump for the occasional hyperbole, the fact of the matter is that Trump is an obvious coward. He has two particular phobias: powerful men and intelligent women.

    Whenever he is in the company of Russian President Vladimir Putin, to take the most cringe-inducing example, he visibly cowers. His attempts to ingratiate himself with Putin are embarrassing, especially given how effortlessly Putin can bend Trump to his will. When the Russian leader got Trump alone at a summit in Helsinki, he scared him so badly that at the subsequent joint press conference, Putin smiled pleasantly while the president of the United States publicly took the word of a former KGB officer over his own intelligence agencies.

    Likewise, as Trump has shown repeatedly in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis, he is eager to criticize China, until he is asked about Chinese President Xi Jinping. In the course of the same few minutes, Trump will attack China—his preferred method for escaping responsibility for America’s disastrous response to the coronavirus pandemic—and then he will babble about how much he likes President Xi, desperately seeking to avoid giving offense to the Chinese Communist Party boss.

    This is related to one of Trump’s most noticeable problems, which is that he can never stop talking. The old-school standard of masculinity is the strong and silent type, like Gary Cooper back in the day or Tom Hardy today. Trump, by comparison, is neither strong nor capable of silence.

    And when Trump talks too much, he ends up saying things that more stereotypically masculine men wouldn’t, like that he fell in love with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un. “He wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters,” Trump told a rally in West Virginia. “We fell in love.” One can only imagine the reaction among working-class white men if Barack Obama, or any other U.S. president, had talked about falling in love with a foreign leader. (George W. Bush once said he saw into Putin’s soul, and he has never lived it down among his critics.)

    Is Trump a man who respects women? This is what secure and masculine men would expect, especially from a husband and a father of two daughters.

    Leave aside for the moment that the working-class white men in the president’s base don’t seem to care that Trump had an affair with a porn star while his wife was home with a new baby, something for which many of them would probably beat their own brother-in-law senseless if he did it to their sister. Trump’s voters, male and female, have already decided to excuse this and other sordid episodes.

    Sorry for my rant folks- BUT I AM MOST EMBARRASSED BY TRUMPTARDED MEN- EMBARRASSED FOR THEM!
    he's anti-globalization and pro working people.

    only elite self perceived "investor class" people are pro-globization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Yes, it didn't much matter in most states, but in the state that Hillary needed to win, Wisconsin, it was definitely the case. Bernie was very popular in that state!

    Wisconsin was radicalized during the Obama years by Republicans during the run-up to Trump and all the way through the Trump era.

    JUST NOW GOT THEIR SHIT BACK ON TRACK in the Mid-Terms!

    Thanks Bernie supporters for starting to vote again and help save our country! Stick with us Democrats, we will not let you down, and THANKS AGAIN!
    hillary told people to their faces it would be best if their jobs disappeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    hillary told people to their faces it would be best if their jobs disappeared.
    Prove it, or you are a GOD DAMN LYING FOOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Prove it, or you are a GOD DAMN LYING FOOL!

    PolitiFact | In context: Hillary Clinton's comments about coal jobs
    https://www.politifact.com › article › 2016 › may › 10 › context-hillary-clintons-comments-about-coal-jobs
    In her response, Clinton did say that she would be putting coal companies out of business, as a result of moving toward renewable energy sources. But she followed that by saying she wanted to...
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    Hillary Clinton Has A Message For Coal Miners: You're Fired
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    During CNN's Democratic townhall event in Ohio on Sunday night, Hillary Clinton said she wants to move away from using coal as an energy source — even if it means eliminating jobs in the...
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    Fact Check: Hillary Clinton And Coal Jobs | WBEZ Chicago
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    Hillary Clinton Eats Crow Over Coal Comments
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    Hillary Clinton | vows war on coal | destruction of jobs
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    "I'm the only candidate which has a policy about to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country, because we're gonna put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," promised Clinton. Seemingly noticing the gaffe, Clinton's cadence changed as she asked, "Right, Tim?"
    VIDEO: Fetterman Defended Hillary's Vow to 'Put a Lot of Coal Miners ...
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    Oct 27, 2022Pennsylvania Senate Democrat candidate John Fetterman defended two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's pledge to scale down the coal industry, throwing thousands of coal miners' jobs in doubt. In February 2020, Fetterman said the criticism of Clinton's comment was "unfair" and that she just "articulated it in a way ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    he's anti-globalization and pro working people.

    only elite self perceived "investor class" people are pro-globization.

    Are you just eat up with the Dumb Ass- Or are you just eat up with Globalization!

    I think BOTH!

    Next!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    so you don't support trans boys on girls teams.

    is this true?
    Like I said, it depends on the situation.
    4,487

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    LOCK HIM UP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Are you just eat up with the Dumb Ass- Or are you just eat up with Globalization!

    I think BOTH!

    Next!
    globalization fanaticism is a war on humanity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Like I said, it depends on the situation.
    lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    PolitiFact | In context: Hillary Clinton's comments about coal jobs
    https://www.politifact.com › article › 2016 › may › 10 › context-hillary-clintons-comments-about-coal-jobs
    In her response, Clinton did say that she would be putting coal companies out of business, as a result of moving toward renewable energy sources. But she followed that by saying she wanted to...
    Fact Check: Hillary Clinton And Coal Jobs : NPR - WKSU
    https://www.npr.org › 2016 › 05 › 03 › 476485650 › fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-coal-jobs
    May 3, 2016Hillary Clinton, who is campaigning in Appalachia this week, was confronted Monday by an out-of-work coal miner. At a roundtable discussion in West Virginia, Bo Copley asked Clinton, "How you...
    Hillary Clinton Has A Message For Coal Miners: You're Fired
    https://thefederalist.com › 2016 › 03 › 14 › hillary-clinton-has-a-message-for-coal-miners-youre-fired
    During CNN's Democratic townhall event in Ohio on Sunday night, Hillary Clinton said she wants to move away from using coal as an energy source — even if it means eliminating jobs in the...
    Hillary Clinton apologizes for saying she'd put coal "out of business ...
    https://www.cbsnews.com › news › hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-saying-shed-put-coal-out-of-business
    By Hannah Fraser-Chanpong May 2, 2016 / 11:24 PM / CBS News WILLIAMSON, W.V. Hillary Clinton apologized on Monday for saying she would put coal miners and companies "out of business" as...
    Fact Check: Hillary Clinton And Coal Jobs | WBEZ Chicago
    https://www.wbez.org › stories › fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-coal-jobs › cd6b78a0-bd5a-4a41-8453-399a730c59e7
    Hillary Clinton, who's campaigning in Appalachia this week, was confronted Monday by an out-of-work coal miner. At a roundtable discussion in West Virginia, Bo Copley asked Clinton, "How you...
    Fact Check: Hillary Clinton And Coal Jobs - 89.3 WFPL News Louisville
    https://wfpl.org › fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-coal-jobs
    Coal mining employment dropped below 75,000 in 2014, with Appalachian mines seeing the steepest declines. Hillary Clinton suggests those jobs are not coming back. "The way things are going now ...
    Hillary Clinton: "We Are Going To Put A Lot Of Coal Miners & Coal ...
    https://www.youtube.com › watch?v=ksIXqxpQNt0
    About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators ...
    Hillary Clinton Eats Crow Over Coal Comments
    https://www.investors.com › politics › editorials › hillary-clinton-eats-crow-over-coal-comments
    Hillary might as well be saying: "I'm going to throw you out of work because I don't like your industry, and I'm going to make you work for a politically correct industry that's not economically...
    Hillary Clinton | vows war on coal | destruction of jobs
    https://legalinsurrection.com › 2016 › 03 › hillary-were-going-to-put-a-lot-of-coal-miners-out-of-business
    "I'm the only candidate which has a policy about to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country, because we're gonna put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," promised Clinton. Seemingly noticing the gaffe, Clinton's cadence changed as she asked, "Right, Tim?"
    VIDEO: Fetterman Defended Hillary's Vow to 'Put a Lot of Coal Miners ...
    https://www.breitbart.com › midterm-election › 2022 › 10 › 27 › 2020-video-john-fetterman-defended-clintons-pledge-put-lot-coal-miners-out-work
    Oct 27, 2022Pennsylvania Senate Democrat candidate John Fetterman defended two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's pledge to scale down the coal industry, throwing thousands of coal miners' jobs in doubt. In February 2020, Fetterman said the criticism of Clinton's comment was "unfair" and that she just "articulated it in a way ...


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    I read as far as the word Coal showed up, and then stopped reading!

    DUDE PLEASE!

    We are living in the 22nd Century for HEAVEN'S SAKE!

    NEXT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I read as far as the word Coal showed up, and then stopped reading!

    DUDE PLEASE!

    We are living in the 22nd Century for HEAVEN'S SAKE!

    NEXT!
    please what?

    i gave you a headstart.

    you obviously dont actually care about examining evidence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    globalization fanaticism is a war on humanity.

    Yes, and you are the one who is fanatical about Globalization!

    Let me ask you a question, from space what do you see?

    Do you only see the USA?

    You can't just fence out the entire world as if it don't exist!


    NEXT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Yes, and you are the one who is fanatical about Globalization!

    Let me ask you a question, from space what do you see?

    Do you only see the USA?

    You can't just fence out the entire world as if it don't exist!


    NEXT!
    more globalist dimwittery....

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