English law blocks Scottish independence

[Into the Night]

So the country that wants independence from the English is prevented from gaining it by the judicial system of the English which is loaded by an independence-blocking law written by the English in the first place.

Seems like a case for armed revolt.





How about Americans assist the Scottish drive for freedom ?





Troll gate open.

No court has the power to prevent secession.

[Into the Night]

Do you expect any better from a country who named its flagship news service after big black cock?

Britain also needs to shut down North Sea Oil to mitigate climate change.

[Into the Night]

They are called Scotch eggs!!

Right tasty too.

[Nordberg]

No court has the power to prevent secession.

How did it work for the slave states in America? The court and then the army stopped them.

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Right tasty too.

Here are some delicious variants.

https://www.greatbritishchefs.com/co...ch-egg-recipes

[moon]

Not sure how this is still an issue (nevermind, it's the only thing keeping Sturgeon relevant so it's what she'll keep pushing).

There was a once in a lifetime referendum only 8 or so years ago. The independence movement lost. They need to get over it.

Then came Brexit- which was comprehensively rejected by the Scots.

What you are suggesting is staying married when your coercive partner cuts you off from your friends and neighbors.

[moon]

No court has the power to prevent secession.

' Secession ' isn't quite the right term as Scotland was a free nation , as old as the English, before being conquered and subjected to English law in the guise of ' unity '.

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There was a Scottish independence referendum, with the full cooperation of the UK government, in 2014. The remainers won by 55% to 45% in an 85% turnout.

But that was "once in a lifetime". Now it's a different lifetime, apparently. Sturgeon wants another go next year.

If one of these referendums produces a majority for independence, would that be final? There are regions of Scotland, notably Orkney and Shetland, whose people do NOT want to leave the UK. Would they have a right to declare independence from Scotland and stay in the Union?

The "territorial waters" of Orkney and Shetland cover a large part of Scotland's oil and gas deposits. Oo er ...

They would lose the Barnett Formula money, have to pay up for their share of the deficit, be forced to join the Euro and be subject to EU fiscal and monetary policy. That's of course if the EU accepts them, I highly doubt that will happen as all countries need to agree.

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They would lose the Barnett Formula money, have to pay up for their share of the deficit, be forced to join the Euro and be subject to EU fiscal and monetary policy. That's of course if the EU accepts them, I highly doubt that will happen as all countries need to agree.

The Scots got fucked over the Darien Gap misadventure and begged the English to take them under their wing.

Some have said: ‘The Darien venture was the most ambitious colonial scheme attempted in the 17th century…The Scots were the first to realise the strategic importance of the area…” Whilst others claimed: “They were plain daft to try… It was disaster. They never had a chance.” T’is for you to decide!

William Paterson, a Scot whose other major claim to fame was the foundation of the Bank of England, was born in Tinwald in Dumfriesshire in 1658. He made his first fortune through international trade, travelling extensively throughout the Americas and West Indies
Upon his return to his native Scotland, Paterson sought to make his second fortune with a scheme of epic proportion. His plan was to create a link between east and west, which could command the trade of the two great oceans of the world, the Pacific and Atlantic. In 1693, Paterson helped to set up the Company of Scotland Trading to Africa and the Indies in Edinburgh to establish an entrepôt on the Isthmus of Darien (the narrow neck of land separating North and South America now known as Panama). It was claimed that the company would prosper through foreign trade and promoted Darien as a remote spot where Scots could settle
The original directors of the Company of Scotland were Scottish and English in equal numbers, with the risk investment capital being shared half from the English and Dutch, and the other half from the Scots. However, under pressure from the East India Company, afraid of losing their trade monopoly, the English Parliament withdrew its support for the scheme at the last minute, forcing the English and Dutch to withdraw and leaving the Scots as sole investors.

English and Dutch to withdraw and leaving the Scots as sole investors. There were no shortage of takers though, as thousands of ordinary Scottish folk invested money in the expedition, to the tune of approximately £500,000 – about half of the national capital available. Almost every Scot who had £5 to spare invested in the Darien scheme. Thousands more volunteered to travel on board the five ships that had been chartered to carry the pioneers to their new home where Scots could settle, including famine driven Highlanders and soldiers discharged following the Glen Coe Massacre.

But, who had actually been out to see this Promised Land, this remote spot where Scots could settle? Well not Paterson apparently! The pioneers had wrongly believed, on the basis of sightings by sailors and pirates, that Darien offered them a colony where entrepreneurs could establish trading links with the world and bring prestige and prosperity to their country. And so it was with much fanfare and excitement that the ships sailed from Leith harbour on 12 July 1698 with 1,200 people on board.

It was however, a depleted and less excited group of pioneers that arrived on the mosquito-infested scrap of land known as Darien on 30 October 1698. Many were already sick and others were quarrelling as power struggles arose among the elected councillors. They struggled ashore and renamed the land Caledonia, with its capital New Edinburgh. The first task was to dig graves for the dead pioneers, which included Paterson’s wife. The situation grew worse because of a lack of food and attacks from hostile Spaniards. The native Indians took pity on the Scots, bringing them gifts of fruit and fish. Seven months after arriving, 400 Scots were dead. The rest were emaciated and yellow with fever. They decided to abandon the scheme.

Sadly, news did not travel quickly in the 17th century. Six more ships set sail from Leith in November 1699 loaded with a further 1,300 excited pioneers, all blissfully ignorant about the fate of the earlier settlers. Whoever said that bad news travels fast was obviously not a Scot as a third fleet of five ships left Leith shortly after.

Only one ship returned out of the total of sixteen that had originally sailed. Only a handful survived the return journey. Scotland had paid a terrible price with more than two thousand lives lost. Together with the loss of the £500,000 investment the Scottish economy was almost bankrupted. It has been argued that the Darien Scheme crippled the country’s economy to such an extent that it triggered the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and led to the 1707 Act of Union with England.

www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/The-Darien-Scheme/

[moon]

They would lose the Barnett Formula money, have to pay up for their share of the deficit, be forced to join the Euro and be subject to EU fiscal and monetary policy. That's of course if the EU accepts them, I highly doubt that will happen as all countries need to agree.

Still, that would be their problem, maggot. You English imperialists better look to your own country. Most of the world wants you punished.

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Any Scot worth his porridge will tell you that England did not 'conquer' Scotland. (To be precise, England conquered Scotland briefly in the 1650s under Cromwell, then it left again.)

Scotland joined the Union voluntarily in 1707. It retained some features of a sovereign state, including its own legal system. English law did not replace Scottish law.

So why is the UK Supreme Court ruling on whether Scotland can hold a referendum without Westminster's consent? Because Scotland is in the United Kingdom. Which it joined voluntarily.

Sheesh.


P.S. Look up what happened to Catalonia when its leaders called an independence referendum without the consent of Madrid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29478415
I would take a sizeable bet that in the worst case scenario Ms Sturgeon & Co will not be charged with treason.

[Dachshund]

[QUOTE=moon;5381669]So the country that wants independence from the English is prevented from gaining it by the judicial system of the English which is loaded by an independence-blocking law written by the English in the first place.

Seems like a case for armed revolt.





The English should do whatever they need to do to free themselves of the Scots. They are a race of pigs and deserve to be cut off. An independent Scotland would resemble a European California after about 6 months, and no one would be surprised. Besides, the native , White English can't stand them, and quite rightly (!), - because they're a pack of loud, ignorant, rude, bumptious, and generally obnoxious savages.



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[moon]

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Attention-seeking dimwit.

[moon]

' .... a cabal of corrupt Scots noblemen sold out their countrymen, lured by £20,000 in English bribes. The decision by the Scots parliament on January 16 1707 to support the merger of parliaments was a profound act of treachery, say romantic nationalists, captured perfectly in Robert Burns' lines about the "parcel of rogues" being "bought and sold for English gold".

Haw, haw................................haw.


Can anybody imagine signing into a ' union ' wherein one's desired exit could be vetoed by the other party ?



Haw, haw, haw, haw, haw...............................haw, haw...............................haw, haw, haw...............................haw.

[Into the Night]

How did it work for the slave states in America? The court and then the army stopped them.

No court or army stopped them. They seceded.