Tesla Semi-truck stops would consume the electricity of a small town

[Yakuda]

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This ought not to come as a surprise to anyone conversant with the technology.

Tesla Semi truck stops would consume the electricity of small town USA as launch event scheduled for December 1

A utility company has run the numbers and warns that the US grid can't provide the charging power for all the upcoming electric trucks like the Tesla Semi that will be released on December 1. The electrification of a typical gas station would demand the amount needed for a sports stadium, while a regular truck stop would need the electricity of a small town.

A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.

A common truck stop full of Tesla Semis or similar electric rigs, on the other hand, will have the electricity consumption of a small US town by 2035, while a highway plaza electric truck and car stop will need the power of an industrial plant by 2045.

The issue is not with the amount needed, as even in the worst-case scenario with rapid passenger and freight vehicle electrification, the global electricity demand would only be up 15% by 2040, but rather the speed and output that the charge needs to be delivered with.

The Tesla Semi has a 82,000 lbs (37,195 kg) Gross Weight which it can truck along for up to 500 miles (804 km) on a charge, and its up to 1MWh battery estimate can recover 70% of its capacity in 30 minutes of charging. Tesla wants to solve the grid load problem by topping up the Semi at exclusive Megacharger stations that will be powered by solar energy. One such Megacharger, for instance, is built at the Modesto factory of the Semi's first customer - Pepsi - and Tesla will be holding a dedicated launch event to celebrate the first Semi truck deliveries there on December 1.

Just like its Superchargers and newfangled North American Charging Standard, though, Tesla's Semi truck Megachargers will also have a competitor in the face of the 3.75MW Megawatt Charging Standard (MCS) for heavy-duty electric vehicles whose documentation is expected to be codified by the respective certification bodies in 2024.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-....668564.0.html

What's funny is CA will ban gas vehicles but last summer had rolling brown outs. This country is in deep shit

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We're having a good conversation. You refuse to accept the fact that China has a better economic plan for the future than the US and UK. We can't spend all our money on war and expect to be competitive.

You sound a little like pro-German sympathisers before WW2.

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You sound a little like pro-German sympathisers before WW2.

Again, we were having a good conversation. JPP can't even play nice during the holidays.

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Again, we were having a good conversation. JPP can't even play nice during the holidays.

China is on a course to dominate the world, the BRI is the chosen means to that end. Fortunately the wheels seem to be falling off the wagon.

China’s BRI was always something of a Mafia-like enterprise. Beijing would approach poorer countries in Asia, Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and the periphery of Europe and offer loans for important infrastructure projects – ports, rail links, dams, roads, and the like. State-owned Chinese banks would arrange the financing and Chinese contractors would execute the projects and manage them after they were completed. If the host country failed to pay, the projects would come under Chinese ownership. Either way, Beijing gained influence and considerable leverage over the nations that allowed themselves to become involved. Since Xi first rose to the presidency, China has made over $1 trillion in such loans in some 150 countries making the country the world’s largest official creditor.

The problem from the start was that the projects were chosen for political and diplomatic not for economic reasons. Many of these efforts were always commercially dubious, and now it is clear that they cannot earn enough to support the loans incurred to build them. In Sri Lanka, for instance, even before the Covid pandemic shut down trade, the BRI-built port lacked the traffic to meet the terms of the loan. That loan has gone bad, even if the Chinese state-owned banks involved are not yet ready to make such a declaration. Similar things are occurring across the entire BRI. Pakistan, one of the largest BRI participants has fallen so far short of its obligations that it has had to turn to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for relief.

Economists at the World Bank estimate that now some 60 percent of all BRI loans involve countries in financial distress. Loans in Africa look especially shaky. Even before this latest news of potential default, Chinese bankers had warned about the financial and economic viability of BRI arrangements. Some of these bankers were so concerned about being held accountable that they insisted Beijing extend to several loans the moniker, “policy designated” to make clear that the decision to lend came from Beijing and not the banks’ managements.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltone...h=3fdd467b1e21

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China is on a course to dominate the world, the BRI is the chosen means to that end. Fortunately the wheels seem to be falling off the wagon.

China’s BRI was always something of a Mafia-like enterprise. Beijing would approach poorer countries in Asia, Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and the periphery of Europe and offer loans for important infrastructure projects – ports, rail links, dams, roads, and the like. State-owned Chinese banks would arrange the financing and Chinese contractors would execute the projects and manage them after they were completed. If the host country failed to pay, the projects would come under Chinese ownership. Either way, Beijing gained influence and considerable leverage over the nations that allowed themselves to become involved. Since Xi first rose to the presidency, China has made over $1 trillion in such loans in some 150 countries making the country the world’s largest official creditor.

The problem from the start was that the projects were chosen for political and diplomatic not for economic reasons. Many of these efforts were always commercially dubious, and now it is clear that they cannot earn enough to support the loans incurred to build them. In Sri Lanka, for instance, even before the Covid pandemic shut down trade, the BRI-built port lacked the traffic to meet the terms of the loan. That loan has gone bad, even if the Chinese state-owned banks involved are not yet ready to make such a declaration. Similar things are occurring across the entire BRI. Pakistan, one of the largest BRI participants has fallen so far short of its obligations that it has had to turn to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for relief.

Economists at the World Bank estimate that now some 60 percent of all BRI loans involve countries in financial distress. Loans in Africa look especially shaky. Even before this latest news of potential default, Chinese bankers had warned about the financial and economic viability of BRI arrangements. Some of these bankers were so concerned about being held accountable that they insisted Beijing extend to several loans the moniker, “policy designated” to make clear that the decision to lend came from Beijing and not the banks’ managements.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltone...h=3fdd467b1e21

The IMF and world bank are the ones causing most of the despair around the world. Sanctions are intended to hurt the poor and cause revolt. Beijing and Moscow are trying to survive. The banksters and judges in Hong Kong are white. Of course they're opposed to China policy. Westerners need to borrow, whereas Beijing has the cash to survive the Greater Depression

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Hydrogen is far more practical for long haul trucks.

International courier DHL is rolling out a new program to pilot long-haul, hydrogen-powered trucks from Breda, in the Netherlands all the way to Brussels, Belgium, reports It Matters To You. Leaders in auto recycling and car removal Melbourne wide, It Matters To You explains why this is a significant advancement towards a greener future for the automotive industry.

In a world-first trial, DHL’s long haul trucks will rely completely on hydrogen fuel for the full duration of their trips. It Matters To You explains that this ground breaking innovation in clean fuels will work to significantly reduce carbon emissions.

This is an essential move toward a more sustainable, environmentally friendly future for the automotive industry as up to 350 tonnes of carbon dioxide will be saved on this trip.

According to It Matters To You, the trucks’ journeys from the Netherlands to Belgium will allow DHL to not only find out whether hydrogen fuels are realistic alternatives to gas and diesel, but will also make sense of the logistics required for longer, more complicated routes.

This will lay the groundwork for the most efficient journeys possible with the least amount of carbon emissions.

Hydrogen and other fuel alternatives are gaining traction as a more practical and sustainable solution for an eco-friendly future. Studies have shown that it will take one electric car approximately nine years of regular driving to offset the carbon emission output of the manufacturing process.

Further, Australia presently is home to just one facility equipped to properly recycle spent lithium-ion batteries, which increases the possibility of Li-ion batteries ending up in landfills.

With the rollout of these long haul hydrogen-fuelled trucks, It Matters To You and other experts in the automotive field remain optimistic that the future is slowly but surely becoming more sustainable for motorists around the world. Thanks for staying up to date with Hydrogen Central.

https://hydrogen-central.com/dhl-lon...s-matters-you/

Not enough hydrogen. Remember it takes a lot of electricity to create it, and then there is the problem of handling the fuel. The batteries are still required too along with all the material shortages that will cause (and high cost).

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Bosch would beg to differ, hydrogen is very much in the here and now. Green hydrogen doesn't require anything other than electricity to produce.

A truck driving on a Chongqing road is nothing unusual — unless it happens to be equipped with an exclusive powertrain. An endurance test underway in China is assessing 70 trucks equipped with Bosch fuel-cell systems to see how they fare out on the road. Hu Gang is among the test drivers.

https://www.bosch.com/stories/hydrogen-truck/

LOTS of electricity. No, you don't get something for free. TANSTAAFL.
And the batteries are still required, along with the ever growing shortage of lithium and cobalt to make them.

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The World Is Racing To Ramp Up Green Hydrogen Production

As Europe races ahead with its hydrogen plans, many other parts of the world are looking to develop their own hydrogen markets. But IRENA warns that the expansion of the hydrogen market must be carried out strategically to ensure it supports the transition away from fossil fuels to renewable alternatives.

Australian firms are now planning to establish a green hydrogen hub, using solar and wind energy to power operations. Fortescue Future Industries (FFI) announced this month that it is partnering with Windlab to develop the North Queensland Super Hub. This project will focus on green hydrogen production and is expected to be up and running by 2027. The firms hope to establish over 10GW of wind and solar power to support green hydrogen production. The 800MW Prairie Wind Farm and another 1,000MW project will provide energy for the facility if approved.

BP, backed by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, carried out a feasibility study in 2020 for the production of hydrogen in Australia. The study concluded that “the production of green hydrogen and green ammonia using renewable ‎energy” had become technically feasible at scale in Australia. Until now, green hydrogen development had been “constrained by the lack of renewable supply to power the process of extracting hydrogen from water through electrification,” according to FFI. However, the firm pointed out, Australia has significant potential to develop its wind and solar assets over vast areas of land.

Australia’s not the only country looking to catch up to Europe’s rapidly expanding green hydrogen developments, as the U.S. looks to establish a market of its own. President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) is expected to boost interest and funding in green hydrogen projects across the U.S. through the investment of $369 billion in renewable energy and climate change programmes. Andy Marsh, the CEO of Plug Power, an American green hydrogen producer, stated that tax credits from the IRA will provide “a major inflexion for the world to achieve net zero by 2050 and for hydrogen, especially green hydrogen, to provide 20% of the world’s energy.”

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...roduction.html

It won't produce enough hydrogen, and you still need the batteries.

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We're having a good conversation. You refuse to accept the fact that China has a better economic plan for the future than the US and UK. We can't spend all our money on war and expect to be competitive.

Neither the US nor the UK is spending all of its money on war. Socialism does not create wealth. It steals it. Only capitalism creates wealth.

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What's funny is CA will ban gas vehicles but last summer had rolling brown outs. This country is in deep shit

The SODC is already in deep shit.

They don't collect enough water.
They don't clear dangerous brush away from buildings.
They are dismantling their power plants.
They want to ban cars, trains, aircraft, and trucks. The only ones allowed must be electric, and there is no place to charge them with the weak electrical system.

The SODC is already fucked.

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Neither the US nor the UK is spending all of its money on war. Socialism does not create wealth. It steals it. Only capitalism creates wealth.

What percent of the populace does our bankrupt capitalist system create wealth for? And how much of it stays in the area where it was created? No system works unless you hold the crooks accountable.

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It won't produce enough hydrogen, and you still need the batteries.

Big deal, they typically require a small 1.5-2.0 kilowatt-hours battery to smooth the output from the fuel cell!!

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Tesla Semi-truck stops would consume the electricity of a small town

Welcome to the real world. In the real world, we spend 60% of our energy on moving things, 30% on heating/cooling things, and 10% on everything else. So yes, our trucks take up a lot of energy. This is nothing new.

Just hook a windmill to them.

The great thing about electricity is it is completely source neutral. You can hook up windmills, or even diesel generators.

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Welcome to the real world. In the real world, we spend 60% of our energy on moving things, 30% on heating/cooling things, and 10% on everything else. So yes, our trucks take up a lot of energy. This is nothing new.



The great thing about electricity is it is completely source neutral. You can hook up windmills, or even diesel generators.

National Grid know a fuckton more than you about electricity grids, Salty.

A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.

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National Grid know a fuckton more than you about electricity grids, Salty.

Well, let's start with who National Grid is, and who they are not. They are a British company that is responsible for the downstream of the English and Wales national grid. To diversify, they have invested in some power generation in the USA, but they are not responsible for our national grid, and in fact we do not have a national grid. That is right, there is no single US grid. It does not exist, so their claims about it are pure fantasy.

But our multiple grids are not able to handle an all electric transportation system... Much like our roads were not able to handle a trucking network 80 years ago. We modernized them, and now we do just fine. We could modernize our electrical grid...

Or not. Large generators will usually be more efficient than small mobile engines, and it is easier to capture pollution if you do not have to worry about moving the engine... Not to mention that electric motors turn off when not needed, saving from idling. You can literally burn all the diesel you would have burned in the trucks in the station, and generate electricity which will be more efficient and less polluting.

The nice part about electricity is it is source neutral. I do not know, nor care what the source of the electricity lighting my house is.