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    Default Tesla Semi-truck stops would consume the electricity of a small town

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    This ought not to come as a surprise to anyone conversant with the technology.

    Tesla Semi truck stops would consume the electricity of small town USA as launch event scheduled for December 1

    A utility company has run the numbers and warns that the US grid can't provide the charging power for all the upcoming electric trucks like the Tesla Semi that will be released on December 1. The electrification of a typical gas station would demand the amount needed for a sports stadium, while a regular truck stop would need the electricity of a small town.

    A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.

    A common truck stop full of Tesla Semis or similar electric rigs, on the other hand, will have the electricity consumption of a small US town by 2035, while a highway plaza electric truck and car stop will need the power of an industrial plant by 2045.

    The issue is not with the amount needed, as even in the worst-case scenario with rapid passenger and freight vehicle electrification, the global electricity demand would only be up 15% by 2040, but rather the speed and output that the charge needs to be delivered with.

    The Tesla Semi has a 82,000 lbs (37,195 kg) Gross Weight which it can truck along for up to 500 miles (804 km) on a charge, and its up to 1MWh battery estimate can recover 70% of its capacity in 30 minutes of charging. Tesla wants to solve the grid load problem by topping up the Semi at exclusive Megacharger stations that will be powered by solar energy. One such Megacharger, for instance, is built at the Modesto factory of the Semi's first customer - Pepsi - and Tesla will be holding a dedicated launch event to celebrate the first Semi truck deliveries there on December 1.

    Just like its Superchargers and newfangled North American Charging Standard, though, Tesla's Semi truck Megachargers will also have a competitor in the face of the 3.75MW Megawatt Charging Standard (MCS) for heavy-duty electric vehicles whose documentation is expected to be codified by the respective certification bodies in 2024.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-....668564.0.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
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    This ought not to come as a surprise to anyone conversant with the technology.

    Tesla Semi truck stops would consume the electricity of small town USA as launch event scheduled for December 1

    A utility company has run the numbers and warns that the US grid can't provide the charging power for all the upcoming electric trucks like the Tesla Semi that will be released on December 1. The electrification of a typical gas station would demand the amount needed for a sports stadium, while a regular truck stop would need the electricity of a small town.

    A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.

    A common truck stop full of Tesla Semis or similar electric rigs, on the other hand, will have the electricity consumption of a small US town by 2035, while a highway plaza electric truck and car stop will need the power of an industrial plant by 2045.

    The issue is not with the amount needed, as even in the worst-case scenario with rapid passenger and freight vehicle electrification, the global electricity demand would only be up 15% by 2040, but rather the speed and output that the charge needs to be delivered with.

    The Tesla Semi has a 82,000 lbs (37,195 kg) Gross Weight which it can truck along for up to 500 miles (804 km) on a charge, and its up to 1MWh battery estimate can recover 70% of its capacity in 30 minutes of charging. Tesla wants to solve the grid load problem by topping up the Semi at exclusive Megacharger stations that will be powered by solar energy. One such Megacharger, for instance, is built at the Modesto factory of the Semi's first customer - Pepsi - and Tesla will be holding a dedicated launch event to celebrate the first Semi truck deliveries there on December 1.

    Just like its Superchargers and newfangled North American Charging Standard, though, Tesla's Semi truck Megachargers will also have a competitor in the face of the 3.75MW Megawatt Charging Standard (MCS) for heavy-duty electric vehicles whose documentation is expected to be codified by the respective certification bodies in 2024.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-....668564.0.html
    The "save the planet" types have completely failed to think their ideas through.

    They are children in the bodies of adults.

    Buckle Up, this is going to hurt.
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    The catastrophe that we are going to go through could be seen a thousand miles away, but too few did see it....of those who did figure it out too few spoke up.

    I give you the Modern Moron.
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    Performance always matters, if you dont know this then you are an idiot.
    I am loath to invest any more time into yakking about Side Show Don... We have been doing that full time for seven years and things keep getting worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The "save the planet" types have completely failed to think their ideas through.

    They are children in the bodies of adults.

    Buckle Up, this is going to hurt.
    Hydrogen is far more practical for long haul trucks.

    International courier DHL is rolling out a new program to pilot long-haul, hydrogen-powered trucks from Breda, in the Netherlands all the way to Brussels, Belgium, reports It Matters To You. Leaders in auto recycling and car removal Melbourne wide, It Matters To You explains why this is a significant advancement towards a greener future for the automotive industry.

    In a world-first trial, DHL’s long haul trucks will rely completely on hydrogen fuel for the full duration of their trips. It Matters To You explains that this ground breaking innovation in clean fuels will work to significantly reduce carbon emissions.

    This is an essential move toward a more sustainable, environmentally friendly future for the automotive industry as up to 350 tonnes of carbon dioxide will be saved on this trip.

    According to It Matters To You, the trucks’ journeys from the Netherlands to Belgium will allow DHL to not only find out whether hydrogen fuels are realistic alternatives to gas and diesel, but will also make sense of the logistics required for longer, more complicated routes.

    This will lay the groundwork for the most efficient journeys possible with the least amount of carbon emissions.

    Hydrogen and other fuel alternatives are gaining traction as a more practical and sustainable solution for an eco-friendly future. Studies have shown that it will take one electric car approximately nine years of regular driving to offset the carbon emission output of the manufacturing process.

    Further, Australia presently is home to just one facility equipped to properly recycle spent lithium-ion batteries, which increases the possibility of Li-ion batteries ending up in landfills.

    With the rollout of these long haul hydrogen-fuelled trucks, It Matters To You and other experts in the automotive field remain optimistic that the future is slowly but surely becoming more sustainable for motorists around the world. Thanks for staying up to date with Hydrogen Central.

    https://hydrogen-central.com/dhl-lon...s-matters-you/
    As Gustave Le Bo lamented: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Hydrogen is far more practical for long haul trucks.

    International courier DHL is rolling out a new program to pilot long-haul, hydrogen-powered trucks from Breda, in the Netherlands all the way to Brussels, Belgium, reports It Matters To You. Leaders in auto recycling and car removal Melbourne wide, It Matters To You explains why this is a significant advancement towards a greener future for the automotive industry.

    In a world-first trial, DHL’s long haul trucks will rely completely on hydrogen fuel for the full duration of their trips. It Matters To You explains that this ground breaking innovation in clean fuels will work to significantly reduce carbon emissions.

    This is an essential move toward a more sustainable, environmentally friendly future for the automotive industry as up to 350 tonnes of carbon dioxide will be saved on this trip.

    According to It Matters To You, the trucks’ journeys from the Netherlands to Belgium will allow DHL to not only find out whether hydrogen fuels are realistic alternatives to gas and diesel, but will also make sense of the logistics required for longer, more complicated routes.

    This will lay the groundwork for the most efficient journeys possible with the least amount of carbon emissions.

    Hydrogen and other fuel alternatives are gaining traction as a more practical and sustainable solution for an eco-friendly future. Studies have shown that it will take one electric car approximately nine years of regular driving to offset the carbon emission output of the manufacturing process.

    Further, Australia presently is home to just one facility equipped to properly recycle spent lithium-ion batteries, which increases the possibility of Li-ion batteries ending up in landfills.

    With the rollout of these long haul hydrogen-fuelled trucks, It Matters To You and other experts in the automotive field remain optimistic that the future is slowly but surely becoming more sustainable for motorists around the world. Thanks for staying up to date with Hydrogen Central.

    https://hydrogen-central.com/dhl-lon...s-matters-you/
    I have been reading that electric trucks are idiotic and that they simply will not work...which is very interesting in light of all of the electric trucks corporations have pledged to buy, and often already ordered.

    Getting ahead of their skis?
    I am loath to invest any more time into yakking about Side Show Don... We have been doing that full time for seven years and things keep getting worse.

    Lets do something else, MKAY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
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    This ought not to come as a surprise to anyone conversant with the technology.

    Tesla Semi truck stops would consume the electricity of small town USA as launch event scheduled for December 1

    A utility company has run the numbers and warns that the US grid can't provide the charging power for all the upcoming electric trucks like the Tesla Semi that will be released on December 1. The electrification of a typical gas station would demand the amount needed for a sports stadium, while a regular truck stop would need the electricity of a small town.

    A surge in EV charging demand, especially of the megawatt kind required for electric trucks like the Tesla Semi, would overwhelm the US grid, warns utility company National Grid Plc. Their numbers show that the electrification of just one regular gas station would put a strain on the grid equivalent to that of a sports stadium in 2030.

    A common truck stop full of Tesla Semis or similar electric rigs, on the other hand, will have the electricity consumption of a small US town by 2035, while a highway plaza electric truck and car stop will need the power of an industrial plant by 2045.

    The issue is not with the amount needed, as even in the worst-case scenario with rapid passenger and freight vehicle electrification, the global electricity demand would only be up 15% by 2040, but rather the speed and output that the charge needs to be delivered with.

    The Tesla Semi has a 82,000 lbs (37,195 kg) Gross Weight which it can truck along for up to 500 miles (804 km) on a charge, and its up to 1MWh battery estimate can recover 70% of its capacity in 30 minutes of charging. Tesla wants to solve the grid load problem by topping up the Semi at exclusive Megacharger stations that will be powered by solar energy. One such Megacharger, for instance, is built at the Modesto factory of the Semi's first customer - Pepsi - and Tesla will be holding a dedicated launch event to celebrate the first Semi truck deliveries there on December 1.

    Just like its Superchargers and newfangled North American Charging Standard, though, Tesla's Semi truck Megachargers will also have a competitor in the face of the 3.75MW Megawatt Charging Standard (MCS) for heavy-duty electric vehicles whose documentation is expected to be codified by the respective certification bodies in 2024.

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-....668564.0.html
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    Hubris tends to be the killer of civilizations.
    I am loath to invest any more time into yakking about Side Show Don... We have been doing that full time for seven years and things keep getting worse.

    Lets do something else, MKAY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I have been reading that electric trucks are idiotic and that they simply will not work...which is very interesting in light of all of the electric trucks corporations have pledged to buy, and often already ordered.

    Getting ahead of their skis?
    Hydrogen is at least 50 years out. It takes way too much petro to produce. Batteries have been around a long time but we're in a global economy, so diesel is still the most efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Hydrogen is at least 50 years out. It takes way too much petro to produce. Batteries have been around a long time but we're in a global economy, so diesel is still the most efficient.
    Bosch would beg to differ, hydrogen is very much in the here and now. Green hydrogen doesn't require anything other than electricity to produce.

    A truck driving on a Chongqing road is nothing unusual — unless it happens to be equipped with an exclusive powertrain. An endurance test underway in China is assessing 70 trucks equipped with Bosch fuel-cell systems to see how they fare out on the road. Hu Gang is among the test drivers.

    https://www.bosch.com/stories/hydrogen-truck/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Bosch would beg to differ, hydrogen is very much in the here and now. Green hydrogen doesn't require anything other than electricity to produce.

    A truck driving on a Chongqing road is nothing unusual — unless it happens to be equipped with an exclusive powertrain. An endurance test underway in China is assessing 70 trucks equipped with Bosch fuel-cell systems to see how they fare out on the road. Hu Gang is among the test drivers.

    https://www.bosch.com/stories/hydrogen-truck/
    China is preparing for 2100, the US is preparing for 1929.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    China is preparing for 2100, the US is preparing for 1929.
    The World Is Racing To Ramp Up Green Hydrogen Production

    As Europe races ahead with its hydrogen plans, many other parts of the world are looking to develop their own hydrogen markets. But IRENA warns that the expansion of the hydrogen market must be carried out strategically to ensure it supports the transition away from fossil fuels to renewable alternatives.

    Australian firms are now planning to establish a green hydrogen hub, using solar and wind energy to power operations. Fortescue Future Industries (FFI) announced this month that it is partnering with Windlab to develop the North Queensland Super Hub. This project will focus on green hydrogen production and is expected to be up and running by 2027. The firms hope to establish over 10GW of wind and solar power to support green hydrogen production. The 800MW Prairie Wind Farm and another 1,000MW project will provide energy for the facility if approved.

    BP, backed by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, carried out a feasibility study in 2020 for the production of hydrogen in Australia. The study concluded that “the production of green hydrogen and green ammonia using renewable ‎energy” had become technically feasible at scale in Australia. Until now, green hydrogen development had been “constrained by the lack of renewable supply to power the process of extracting hydrogen from water through electrification,” according to FFI. However, the firm pointed out, Australia has significant potential to develop its wind and solar assets over vast areas of land.

    Australia’s not the only country looking to catch up to Europe’s rapidly expanding green hydrogen developments, as the U.S. looks to establish a market of its own. President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) is expected to boost interest and funding in green hydrogen projects across the U.S. through the investment of $369 billion in renewable energy and climate change programmes. Andy Marsh, the CEO of Plug Power, an American green hydrogen producer, stated that tax credits from the IRA will provide “a major inflexion for the world to achieve net zero by 2050 and for hydrogen, especially green hydrogen, to provide 20% of the world’s energy.”

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...roduction.html
    As Gustave Le Bo lamented: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    China is preparing for 2100, the US is preparing for 1929.
    Bosch is not a Chinese company!
    As Gustave Le Bo lamented: “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    The World Is Racing To Ramp Up Green Hydrogen Production

    As Europe races ahead with its hydrogen plans, many other parts of the world are looking to develop their own hydrogen markets. But IRENA warns that the expansion of the hydrogen market must be carried out strategically to ensure it supports the transition away from fossil fuels to renewable alternatives.

    Australian firms are now planning to establish a green hydrogen hub, using solar and wind energy to power operations. Fortescue Future Industries (FFI) announced this month that it is partnering with Windlab to develop the North Queensland Super Hub. This project will focus on green hydrogen production and is expected to be up and running by 2027. The firms hope to establish over 10GW of wind and solar power to support green hydrogen production. The 800MW Prairie Wind Farm and another 1,000MW project will provide energy for the facility if approved.

    BP, backed by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, carried out a feasibility study in 2020 for the production of hydrogen in Australia. The study concluded that “the production of green hydrogen and green ammonia using renewable ‎energy” had become technically feasible at scale in Australia. Until now, green hydrogen development had been “constrained by the lack of renewable supply to power the process of extracting hydrogen from water through electrification,” according to FFI. However, the firm pointed out, Australia has significant potential to develop its wind and solar assets over vast areas of land.

    Australia’s not the only country looking to catch up to Europe’s rapidly expanding green hydrogen developments, as the U.S. looks to establish a market of its own. President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) is expected to boost interest and funding in green hydrogen projects across the U.S. through the investment of $369 billion in renewable energy and climate change programmes. Andy Marsh, the CEO of Plug Power, an American green hydrogen producer, stated that tax credits from the IRA will provide “a major inflexion for the world to achieve net zero by 2050 and for hydrogen, especially green hydrogen, to provide 20% of the world’s energy.”

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...roduction.html
    How much did Europe spend on the Large Hadron Collider? They're giving you hope that EU policies will not lead to systemic collapse. War is keeping Wall Street buoyant. Give me your guesstimate on how many countries the US and UK have boots on the ground. Science can't solve that problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Bosch is not a Chinese company!
    The CCP has 50% holdings.

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