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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed, but you are using rational discussion to persuade irrational people. It never works.

    The bigger picture here is that the conspiracy theorist nutjobs are claiming that the United States successfully fooled all First World nations about the Moon landing. Their argument believes that the Soviet Union and PRC are either so fucking stupid that the US has fooled them for over 50 years…OR that the USSR and PRC are part of the conspiracy.

    What rational person would believe either scenario? IMO, none. Only the psychos and the stupid.
    It seems like a lot of MAGA cultists on this board still believe in the Kraken conspiracy theories.

    That is just begging for a PhD dissertation investigation in psychology or sociology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    It seems like a lot of MAGA cultists on this board still believe in the Kraken conspiracy theories.

    That is just begging for a PhD dissertation investigation in psychology or sociology.
    Studying conspiracy theorists online has been a long term hobby of mine. It’s a mixed bag ranging from young, inexperienced, relatively uneducated people to older people who are either stupid or irrational. There are several online articles from reputable sources. Since the rise of the Alt-Right in American politics, the number of studies available have increased.

    https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/sp...iracy-theories
    Why people believe in conspiracy theories
    Yes, it is definitely the case that the conspiracy theories have ways being with us. Believing in conspiracy theories and being suspicious about the actions of others is in some ways quite an adaptive thing to do. We don't necessarily want to trust everybody and trust everything that's happening around us. And so they have always been with us and to some extent, people are all, I guess you could call everybody a conspiracy theorist if you want to use that term at one point or another…

    … We argue that people are drawn to conspiracy theories in order to satisfy or in an attempt to satisfy three important psychological motives. The first of these motives are epistemic motives… The second set of motives, we would call existential motives. And really they just refer to people's needs to be or to feel safe and secure in the world that they live in... The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to. And I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have…..
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Studying conspiracy theorists online has been a long term hobby of mine. It’s a mixed bag ranging from young, inexperienced, relatively uneducated people to older people who are either stupid or irrational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    There must be a whole science of psychology that explains human gullibility and the propensity to be duped by conspiracy theories.
    It's called cognitive dissonance. It's when your brain needs a safe space and rejects anything that goes against your view of the world. It's very common among sheeple who need government to tell them what to believe. That's not how science works.

    Geologists have identified the moon rock as petrified wood, yet you keep parroting government propaganda with the rest of the science deniers. I bet you believe in the magic bullet theory, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    It's called cognitive dissonance. It's when your brain needs a safe space and rejects anything that goes against your view of the world. It's very common among sheeple who need government to tell them what to believe. That's not how science works.

    Geologists have identified the moon rock as petrified wood, yet you keep parroting government propaganda with the rest of the science deniers. I bet you believe in the magic bullet theory, too.
    ^^^
    Example of an elderly mentally ill conspiracy theorist.

    FWIW, when I was in HS, I was into the conspiracy theory about space aliens; ancient astronauts and Project Bluebook.

    Eventually, after higher education, I realized that such conspiracies are impossible to keep secret as the Pentagon Papers and Watergate revealed. Governments are too big and too bureaucratic to keep such things secret for long.

    I also realized that, in any large group, there are a percentage of nutjobs. The 9/11 Truthers can find one scientist out of hundreds who will support their beliefs and that’s the one (or handful) of nutjobs they’ll believe.

    Even airline pilots, of which were were over 60,000, had a few nutjobs who believed 9/11 was a hoax. The vast majority understood the truth since it would be impossible to keep such a thing a secret.

    Another example is the TWA 800 crash. The nutjobs said a missile, but all the sane pilots understood both the impossibility of keeping a shoot down a secret along with the science behind reconstructing the accident and the problems of Kapton wiring. https://sma.nasa.gov/docs/default-so...rsn=6fae1ef8_4
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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Geoligists have identified the moon rock as petrified wood .
    Laughable.

    My friend from graduate school did his thesis on Moon rocks, and even kept a couple in his desk drawer. Moon rocks are iron and magnesium-rich mafic rocks, but lacking the hydrated silicate minerals commonly found in earth rocks.

    The geochemistry and isotopic signature of moon rocks have been extensively studied and described in the legitimate scientific literature.

    Radiometric isotopes indicate moon rocks are over a billion years old, up to over four billion years old. Trees weren't even around that far back; trees evolved sometime in the Carboniferous or Devonian periods less than 400 million years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    ^^^
    Example of an elderly mentally ill conspiracy theorist.

    FWIW, when I was in HS, I was into the conspiracy theory about space aliens; ancient astronauts and Project Bluebook.

    Eventually, after higher education, I realized that such conspiracies are impossible to keep secret as the Pentagon Papers and Watergate revealed. Governments are too big and too bureaucratic to keep such things secret for long.

    I also realized that, in any large group, there are a percentage of nutjobs. The 9/11 Truthers can find one scientist out of hundreds who will support their beliefs and that’s the one (or handful) of nutjobs they’ll believe.

    Even airline pilots, of which were were over 60,000, had a few nutjobs who believed 9/11 was a hoax. The vast majority understood the truth since it would be impossible to keep such a thing a secret.

    Another example is the TWA 800 crash. The nutjobs said a missile, but all the sane pilots understood both the impossibility of keeping a shoot down a secret along with the science behind reconstructing the accident and the problems of Kapton wiring. https://sma.nasa.gov/docs/default-so...rsn=6fae1ef8_4
    No human has left low earth orbit. The rockets are not big enough to pass through the exosphere. Space exploration requires redundancy yet NASA was melodramatic about astronauts having only one chance to leave the moon. It's a fairytale for adults who still want to believe in magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Laughable.

    My friend from graduate school did his thesis on Moon rocks, and even kept a couple in his desk drawer. Moon rocks are iron and magnesium-rich mafic rocks, but lacking the hydrated silicate minerals commonly found in earth rocks.

    The geochemistry and isotopic signature of moon rocks have been extensively studied and described in the legitimate scientific literature.

    Radiometric isotopes indicate moon rocks are over a billion years old, up to over four billion years old. Trees weren't even around that far back; trees evolved sometime in the Carboniferous or Devonian periods less than 400 million years ago.
    Proving you know nothing about radiometric isotopes. They're only good for about 50,000 years, and ineffective on rock. You think hearsay is scientific evidence and refuse to recognize how grants are given and careers made. You still believe in fairytales.

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    Where did all the science deniers run off to? I want to debate more of their hearsay and fairytales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Laughable.

    My friend from graduate school did his thesis on Moon rocks, and even kept a couple in his desk drawer. Moon rocks are iron and magnesium-rich mafic rocks, but lacking the hydrated silicate minerals commonly found in earth rocks.

    The geochemistry and isotopic signature of moon rocks have been extensively studied and described in the legitimate scientific literature.

    Radiometric isotopes indicate moon rocks are over a billion years old, up to over four billion years old. Trees weren't even around that far back; trees evolved sometime in the Carboniferous or Devonian periods less than 400 million years ago.
    Agreed, but don’t put much hope that the nutjobs will accept scientific fact over their conspiracy theories and wacky ideas.
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    Here's the thing. Even if the moon landing was a ruse, which given the government's inability to keep secrets would be a stunning revelation,

    the moon effort jump-started the digital revolution.

    Whether that was good or bad is still under discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    The idiocy of gullible cretins like Goat is amusing. He also thinks Israeli and W blew up the buildings on 9/11 for reasons because Joooos. He will now be triggered by your comments about PhDs. lol
    Many of our posters who believe all the conspiracy theories joined the crowd on this one.

    Buzz Aldrin's daughter was one of my students.

    Man punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin still insists moon landing was fake: report
    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/space/apollo-11-anniversary/os-ne-apollo-11-moon-landing-doubter-punched-by-buzz-aldrin-20190719-h2aor2mlkvcxdfwev5l4rvwi54-story.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Proving you know nothing about radiometric isotopes. They're only good for about 50,000 years, and ineffective on rock.
    That's only true for carbon14 isotopes.

    If you knew anything about geosciences, you would know there are more radiometric isotopes dating techinques than just carbon. Potassium, Rubidium, Strontium isotopes to name a few, and some of these radiometric techniques have half lives of a billion years or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed, but don’t put much hope that the nutjobs will accept scientific fact over their conspiracy theories and wacky ideas.
    He must have frantically googled for information on radiometric isotopes, because he ended up with the catastrophically mistaken idea that carbon 14 is the only radiometric dating technique out there.

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