IntoTheNight, a very simple question for you

[Doc Dutch]

But every one of those diseases can be found in unpolluted water found in nature. Pollution is not a prerequisite for their presence.

Are you denying that the prevalence of a disease can be enhanced or diminished by environmental conditions?

If camping next to a stream, would you shit and piss upstream or downstream? Why does it matter? Aren't diseases found in nature? LOL

[T. A. Gardner]

That is a given.



Also a given.

Into The Retarded Mind asked me to define "clean", "dirty" and "pollution".

I hoped that my question would get him to answer but he refused because it would implicitly define those terms.

All water is "dirty" unless it is purely water (deionized, RO, distilled). H20 that is only H20 would be "clean." Water that contains dissolved solids, turbidity (dirt), organics, dissolved gasses, etc., would by definition be "dirty." Polluted water would contain contaminants that aren't found in water in nature like manmade chemicals, feces and urine (in some cases), and the like.

The question isn't about clean v. dirty v. polluted water, but rather what the acceptable amounts of "dirt" and pollution from various sources is acceptable. Yes, the government has a standard, but the government standard is only one opinion, so-to-speak. The government is often wrong so their standard is hardly one that is inviolate and etched in stone.

I would also note, that the government standard is applied at the water treatment facility, not your faucet. By the time water from that facility travels miles in pipes to your home, its contents have been altered. That's why you should be proactive and deal with your water at your home rather than rely on an inept and often incompetent government to do it for you.

[T. A. Gardner]

Are you denying that the prevalence of a disease can be enhanced or diminished by environmental conditions?

No.

If camping next to a stream, would you shit and piss upstream or downstream? Why does it matter? Aren't diseases found in nature? LOL

I wouldn't be shitting or pissing in the stream at all.

[Doc Dutch]

No.

I wouldn't be shitting or pissing in the stream at all.

Nice Sea Lawyer dodge. Bathing then....or do you skip baths too? LOL

[T. A. Gardner]

Nice Sea Lawyer dodge. Bathing then....or do you skip baths too? LOL

I don't shit or piss in the shower or bathtub, do you?

[Doc Dutch]

I don't shit or piss in the shower or bathtub, do you?

Excellent sea lawyering, Chief. I can see why you were never charged with stealing classified material. Kudos!

Too bad this isn't a court of law. Everyone can see you are dodging the fact that polluting a stream upstream of your campsite is a bad idea. You don't have to admit it for them to realize you are talking out of your nether regions.

But every one of those diseases can be found in unpolluted water found in nature. Pollution is not a prerequisite for their presence.

What's to explain? Every disease you listed can be found in nature and pollution isn't necessarily the cause.

Cholera. Caused by bacteria in water contaminated with feces (animal or human), stagnant water, or water that contains dead animals or fish. None of that requires pollution to occur.

Diarrhoea: Same cause as Cholera.

Dysentery: Same causes as Cholera

Hepatitis: Usually transmitted by a carrier to others. Again, nothing to do with pollution.

Typhoid: Usually transmitted from Salmonella bacteria from human feces or being unsanitary in daily practices.

Polio: Incubated in soil naturally and can affect entire populations. Most infections are non-debilitating and symptoms are mild. One of the major causes in the early 20th Century was increased cleanliness standards that caused more people, particularly the affluent, to not develop immunity at an early age.

[T. A. Gardner]

Excellent sea lawyering, Chief. I can see why you were never charged with stealing classified material. Kudos!

Too bad this isn't a court of law. Everyone can see you are dodging the fact that polluting a stream upstream of your campsite is a bad idea. You don't have to admit it for them to realize you are talking out of your nether regions.

You need to stop using complex question fallacies (aka the tu quoque). They don't work.

[Doc Dutch]

You need to stop using complex question fallacies (aka the tu quoque). They don't work.

Then ignore me. The fact remains, your argument that pollution in water doesn't affect disease is bullshit. Run from that, Chief.

[gfm7175]

I think apple cider vinegar took that role at least down south where its used for everything not food related.

I make use of ACV quite a bit up here in Wisconsin as well. It's good stuff.

[Truth Detector]

Do you drink dirty or clean water? Why or why not?

Stuck on moron.

[Into the Night]

Right. Into The Night doesn't understand it. Bad water can cause kinds of diseases like malaria. He wanted me to define dirty water!!!!! LOL.

Malaria is not caused by bad water or bad air, despite it's name.

[Into the Night]

Or, makes you hurt real bad...

...or both!

[Into the Night]

But every one of those diseases can be found in unpolluted water found in nature. Pollution is not a prerequisite for their presence.

Quite right. One of the reasons you treat your drinking water when camping.

[Matt Dillon]

Do you drink dirty or clean water? Why or why not?

Oooo! A tribute thread! Awesome!

[Into the Night]

That is a given.



Also a given.

Into The Retarded Mind asked me to define "clean", "dirty" and "pollution".

I hoped that my question would get him to answer but he refused because it would implicitly define those terms.

A question based on buzzwords is no question. You've gotta define your terms, dude.