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    Default “The Gov” flops yet again on science

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/desantis-a...ry?id=90755697




    This is what you idiots make your candidates do!



    Pretend from moment to moment that they don’t believe in science




    This storm and it’s predecessors make it impossible to keep saying science is bad


    The fun in being your stupidest self is going out of style



    People now see how stupid it is to just say “oh that’s bullshit” when you hear facts that make you feel icky




    Wake up



    Being woke beats being broke huh you right wing clowns


    These people didn’t trust “the scientists” because they ain’t woke people



    Well enjoy winter this year



    All of Americas tax dollars and good people who have come and will come to help you will be who you see these Holidays





    Sorry, but most of them are woke

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    DeSantis addresses climate change impacts but not the source, some say: ANALYSIS
    Florida is highly susceptible to the impacts of global warming.
    ByTracy J. Wholf
    October 2, 2022, 8:07 AM

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    When Ron DeSantis took office as the 46th governor of the state of Florida in January 2019, it was three months after Hurricane Michael blew ashore as the second Category 5 hurricane to make landfall in the United States in the past 30 years.



    Although the storm came ashore during former Gov. Rick Scott's administration, the $25 billion-dollar clean-up would become one of DeSantis' first responsibilities.


    Scott had been famous for forbidding the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to use the words "climate change" and "global warming" in any official communication, but DeSantis took a different approach. Wasting no time, he signed an executive order during his first week in office addressing a series of environmental issues and appointing a chief science officer to "prioritize scientific data, research, monitoring, and analysis. He also announced the creation of the Office of Resilience and Coastal Protection to help communities deal with rising sea levels.


    The change in tone from the Scott administration to the DeSantis governorship would appear that Florida, a state highly susceptible to the impacts of global warming, might have a conservative leader ready to move past climate denial and ready to take legitimate action.

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    Came into office with 25 billion to rebuild


    Who got that cash and who didn’t?


    Did they trust the city planners or did they trust the land investors?


    “We got some swamp land you will be able to build 50 houses on bra”


    Can Florida afford the same hands be on this Next tranche of American tax dollars?

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    Came into office with 25 billion to rebuild


    Imagine just how popular a governor that could make you


    Handing out checks to counties


    Boyoooo

    He’s got friends in small places

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    It's obvious that evince either didn't read this article critically, or didn't recognize it's flawed conclusions. The article cited in the OP is bad, terrible, and doesn't support the conclusion it makes.

    Let me start by citing the link again for your perusal.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/desantis-a...ry?id=90755697

    The first roughly half of it is drivel and spin trying to convince you DeSantis is a "climate denier" and anti-science without ever using facts.

    Then it gets into trying to argue for anthropogenic climate change--aka Gorebal Warming.

    It starts with the author making this erroneous citation:

    According to the Environmental Protection Agency, it is "extremely likely" that over 95% of human activity is the "dominant cause" of global warming, leading to climate change, resulting in more severe weather events.
    Note how that is worded. 95% of human activity is the dominant cause of global warming. That's what it says.

    But there is a link to the EPA embedded within that:

    https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-sc...climate-change

    Here's what the EPA actually says:

    This record shows that the climate varies naturally over a wide range of time scales, but this variability does not explain the observed warming since the 1950s. Rather, it is extremely likely (> 95%) that human activities have been the dominant cause of that warming.
    95% of human activity is not the dominant cause. The EPA says that it is likely human activities have been the dominant cause without citing which ones. That is, a select few human activities could be the cause.

    The EPA then cites just two:

    Human activities have contributed substantially to climate change through:

    Greenhouse Gas Emissions
    Reflectivity or Absorption of the Sun’s Energy
    So, our erstwhile journalist shows that she doesn't understand statistics in the simplest form. That doesn't bode well for her explaining anything scientific.

    The she cites this chowderhead of an academic:

    Another expert who spoke with ABC News agreed that while DeSantis is taking some action to address climate change's impacts on Florida, the governor could do more.

    "He's spending a lot of money on adapting to climate change," said Steven Cohen, a professor at Columbia University's School of Public Affairs and director of the Research Program on Sustainability Policy and Management.

    Cohen said that by investing in adaptation strategies, DeSantis is acknowledging that climate change is a reality, but to mitigate it would mean an investment in reducing Florida's emissions and positioning the state to enter the competitive race for clean energy alternatives.

    "Renewable energy is going to be a lot less expensive than fossil fuels and suddenly [Florida] is going to find its energy economy is not competitive with other places," Cohen told ABC News. "You would think that solar would be a big thing in Florida, but in fact, the utilities have been discouraging it and the state's not doing anything to promote it."
    (emphasis added)

    This is patently untrue. Wind and solar are grotesquely more expensive and the proof is that everywhere they have been expanded to a significant portion of a nation's energy portfolio electric power has become less and less affordable. I'll save the details of that for another thread, but have proven it repeatedly on this board and elsewhere.
    So, you have a reality denier academic pushing a political agenda who isn't a scientist, and like our author clueless about engineering and science.

    The fourth-strongest hurricane to ever make landfall in Florida, it rapidly intensified to a Category 4 as it traveled over the warmer-than-average Gulf waters -- a direct consequence of climate change.
    Then she cites the above which is just repeating popular Leftist drivel on climate

    The acting director of the National Hurricane Center cautioned CNN host Don Lemon against linking Hurricane Ian directly to climate change in a Tuesday night interview.

    Jamie Rhome joined Lemon on his show “Don Lemon Tonight” to discuss the expected impact of Ian ahead of its landfall in Florida, when the liberal host questioned how climate change is impacting the hurricane.
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/28/hurric...hange-comment/

    When the head of the NOAA, the US's premier weather science agency says Ian was not related to climate change, I'll take his word on it over the Leftist drivel of an anti-science journalist.

    She closes with this:
    As DeSantis himself once said, climate change is also a polarizing issue.
    And, she's correct. She took this issue in her article and contributed to the polarization of the issue. The article is worthless and the author, Tracy Wholf is a scientific illiterate.

    Just as a closing note, I'll add some bio on Tracy Wholf.

    She bills herself as a "producer and actor" who comes from a non-science, liberal arts background.
    https://networthpost.org/net-worth/t...olf-net-worth/

    Sorry, evince but your whole post is worthless drivel based on an article by an idiot.

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    https://americanindependent.com/repu...c-primary/amp/




    DeSantis has signed legislation during his term in office allocating resources for restoring the everglades and for sea-level rise preparedness. However, he has not addressed the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by the burning of fossil fuels, facts that a majority of Republicans in Congress, for example, deny are true as well.

    Luigi Guadarrama, the political director of the Sierra Club's Florida chapter, said in an interview with the American Independent Foundation that DeSantis' support for so-called resiliency programs "makes him seem as if he's got environmental policies. But climate change is something around which there is scientific consensus. We're not seeing a whole lot of common sense in his policies. He tends to toss aside serious ideas about climate change as just 'left-wing politics,' not expert opinions from scientists."

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    Climate cannot change. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. A hurricane is not climate. It is not the Earth either. You care about no one but your religion. You are sick people that could care less about the people suffering from losses due to this hurricane. They are just pawns to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    This is what you idiots make your candidates do!
    Pretend from moment to moment that they don’t believe in science
    You deny and discard science, specifically the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    This storm and it’s predecessors make it impossible to keep saying science is bad
    Science isn't a storm or hurricane.
    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    The fun in being your stupidest self is going out of style
    Insult fallacy.
    People now see how stupid it is to just say “oh that’s bullshit” when you hear facts that make you feel icky[/QUOTE]
    Insult fallacy. Redefinition fallacy (fact<->Universal Truth). Omniscience fallacy.
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    Wake up
    Being woke beats being broke huh you right wing clowns
    False dichotomy fallacy. It is better to be broke than to not know what a women is.
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    These people didn’t trust “the scientists” because they ain’t woke people
    Well enjoy winter this year
    All of Americas tax dollars and good people who have come and will come to help you will be who you see these Holidays
    Sorry, but most of them are woke
    Random statements. No apparent coherency.

    Religion is not science, dude. The Church of Global Warming is a religion. It routinely denies and discards science and mathematics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    DeSantis addresses climate change impacts but not the source, some say: ANALYSIS
    Florida is highly susceptible to the impacts of global warming.
    ByTracy J. Wholf
    October 2, 2022, 8:07 AM
    It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.
    No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
    You can't create energy out of nothing.
    You cannot trap heat.
    You cannot trap light.
    You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
    You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas.

    You are STILL discarding and denying the 1st law of thermodynamics.
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    You sad, pathetic caricature of ignorance and stupidity, there is no science behind the claim that man is causing the planet to warm. That is a lie filled claim intended for dipshits like you to swallow, parrot and destroy your livelihood on.

    ABC? News? That's what we call an oxymoron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    When Ron DeSantis took office as the 46th governor of the state of Florida in January 2019, it was three months after Hurricane Michael blew ashore as the second Category 5 hurricane to make landfall in the United States in the past 30 years.



    Although the storm came ashore during former Gov. Rick Scott's administration, the $25 billion-dollar clean-up would become one of DeSantis' first responsibilities.


    Scott had been famous for forbidding the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to use the words "climate change" and "global warming" in any official communication, but DeSantis took a different approach. Wasting no time, he signed an executive order during his first week in office addressing a series of environmental issues and appointing a chief science officer to "prioritize scientific data, research, monitoring, and analysis. He also announced the creation of the Office of Resilience and Coastal Protection to help communities deal with rising sea levels.


    The change in tone from the Scott administration to the DeSantis governorship would appear that Florida, a state highly susceptible to the impacts of global warming, might have a conservative leader ready to move past climate denial and ready to take legitimate action.
    Science is not data. Science is not random numbers either. Science is not a research or monitoring. Science is not 'analysis'. It is not possible to measure the global sea level. No indication of sea level rise has been noted on any island, including Midway or Kure, which are little more than a sand spit just above sea level large enough for a runway.

    Climate cannot change. There is no value associated with climate to change. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/desantis-a...ry?id=90755697




    This is what you idiots make your candidates do!



    Pretend from moment to moment that they don’t believe in science




    This storm and it’s predecessors make it impossible to keep saying science is bad


    The fun in being your stupidest self is going out of style



    People now see how stupid it is to just say “oh that’s bullshit” when you hear facts that make you feel icky




    Wake up



    Being woke beats being broke huh you right wing clowns


    These people didn’t trust “the scientists” because they ain’t woke people



    Well enjoy winter this year



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    Sorry, but most of them are woke


    this is rich coming from a slut that ignores science

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    https://americanindependent.com/repu...c-primary/amp/




    DeSantis has signed legislation during his term in office allocating resources for restoring the everglades and for sea-level rise preparedness. However, he has not addressed the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by the burning of fossil fuels, facts that a majority of Republicans in Congress, for example, deny are true as well.

    Luigi Guadarrama, the political director of the Sierra Club's Florida chapter, said in an interview with the American Independent Foundation that DeSantis' support for so-called resiliency programs "makes him seem as if he's got environmental policies. But climate change is something around which there is scientific consensus. We're not seeing a whole lot of common sense in his policies. He tends to toss aside serious ideas about climate change as just 'left-wing politics,' not expert opinions from scientists."
    The Everglades don't need to be restored. This creepy swamp just west of Miami has little living there but alligators and a few recluse types. Most people drive as fast as they can through it. The Everglades has no connection to the ocean.

    The sea level is not rising. Facilities built during WW2 on islands in the pacific just above sea level are still there. It is not possible to measure a global sea level.

    Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.
    Climate cannot change. 'Climate change' is not science. It is a meaningless buzzword. 'Climate change scientists' are not scientists. They are high priests in the Church of Global Warming. They routinely discard and deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and statistical mathematics.

    Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel. Commonly used fuels are coal, oil, natural gas. Oil and natural gas are renewable fuels. Coal we don't know, but it is plentiful and cheap.
    No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

    Science has no politics. Science has no religion. Science has no voting bloc. Science is not 'experts'. Science isn't even scientists. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/desantis-a...ry?id=90755697




    This is what you idiots make your candidates do!



    Pretend from moment to moment that they don’t believe in science




    This storm and it’s predecessors make it impossible to keep saying science is bad


    The fun in being your stupidest self is going out of style



    People now see how stupid it is to just say “oh that’s bullshit” when you hear facts that make you feel icky




    Wake up



    Being woke beats being broke huh you right wing clowns


    These people didn’t trust “the scientists” because they ain’t woke people



    Well enjoy winter this year



    All of Americas tax dollars and good people who have come and will come to help you will be who you see these Holidays





    Sorry, but most of them are woke
    No offense.

    But you type like you never, even went to high school.
    Or maybe, even graduated from grade school.
    You seem to have little/no idea what 'punctuation' or a 'paragraph'...even are.

    It makes it rather hard to read your scribbles (which is what they seem like).
    Or take you very seriously.

    Look at this post, please:
    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...42#post5307242

    I didn't read it.
    I just grabbed the first post that suited my point.
    But it is well presented and easy to wade through.
    While yours is just...a mess.

    Just trying to help.
    Though - little doubt - you will just toss me an ad hominem and move on.

    Good day.
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