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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    All male citizens of Athens could vote.
    False. Craftsmen were not given voting rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Kind of like what leftists want here in America, a democracy for themselves but no one else.
    Leftist Derangement Syndrome (LDS).
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Leftist Derangement Syndrome (LDS).
    Latter Day Saints dick face.

    Gore, the talking pig in a pant suit and the fat.ciw abrams all questioned election results but never a word from you cockroaches about the risk they posed to your supposed beloved democracy. Honest to God if you people had the capacity to think you're heads would explode I believe that's why God made leftists so stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Latter Day Saints dick face.

    Gore, the talking pig in a pant suit and the fat.ciw abrams all questioned election results but never a word from you cockroaches about the risk they posed to your supposed beloved democracy. Honest to God if you people had the capacity to think you're heads would explode I believe that's why God made leftists so stupid.
    One trouble with people of small intelligence, like yourself, is an inability to draw distinctions. When the Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount with the vote margin below 1,000, Gore conceded. He did it on TV the next day and made a speech urging the country to unite under President Bush. Other elections too have been "questioned". None "questioned" like the last one, however, with almost half the country convinced by Trump and his surrogates
    that "the election was stolen". Republicans have managed to maintain this story even though the election went as it was predicted to go, with Biden leading in the polls, all the polls, for months up to the time of the election. Trump remains the only defeated Presidential candidate who not only wouldn't concede but aroused supporters to physically interfere with the transfer of power.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    One trouble with people of small intelligence, like yourself, is an inability to draw distinctions. When the Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount with the vote margin below 1,000, Gore conceded. He did it on TV the next day and made a speech urging the country to unite under President Bush. Other elections too have been "questioned". None "questioned" like the last one, however, with almost half the country convinced by Trump and his surrogates
    that "the election was stolen". Republicans have managed to maintain this story even though the election went as it was predicted to go, with Biden leading in the polls, all the polls, for months up to the time of the election. Trump remains the only defeated Presidential candidate who not only wouldn't concede but aroused supporters to physically interfere with the transfer of power.
    You are intelligent because that's how three year olds think. Good for you
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    "Education is a system of imposed ignorance" - Noam Chomsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    The only democracy Aristotle and Plato knew was Athenian direct democracy, so called "pure" democracy. Their basic criticism was that it fostered anarchy. Western representative democracy was seeded in the English parliament, flowered in the American Constitution and is the only kind of national democracy in the modern world, but it did not exist in Aristotle's time.
    In Athens the right to participate in the political life of the
    polis was limited to what we would consider a narrow segment of the population. Participation was restricted to free
    adult (18 or older) male citizens, thus excluding women,
    resident aliens, and slaves. In practice, this limited participation to perhaps 10-20 percent of the population.

    In 451
    BCE, Pericles introduced a law further limiting participation,
    by providing that one was an Athenian citizen only if both of
    one’s parents were citizens; previously it was enough if one’s
    father was a citizen. A person’s citizenship was determined
    by reference to the Assembly List of his deme.
    A citizen could lose the right to political participation as a
    punishment for certain offenses, such as owing a debt to the
    public treasury, prostitution, beating or failing to support his
    father or mother, throwing away his shield in battle, or
    squandering his inheritance.

    http://homepages.gac.edu/~arosenth/2..._Democracy.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    In Athens the right to participate in the political life of the
    polis was limited to what we would consider a narrow segment of the population. Participation was restricted to free
    adult (18 or older) male citizens, thus excluding women,
    resident aliens, and slaves. In practice, this limited participation to perhaps 10-20 percent of the population.

    In 451
    BCE, Pericles introduced a law further limiting participation,
    by providing that one was an Athenian citizen only if both of
    one’s parents were citizens; previously it was enough if one’s
    father was a citizen. A person’s citizenship was determined
    by reference to the Assembly List of his deme.
    A citizen could lose the right to political participation as a
    punishment for certain offenses, such as owing a debt to the
    public treasury, prostitution, beating or failing to support his
    father or mother, throwing away his shield in battle, or
    squandering his inheritance.

    http://homepages.gac.edu/~arosenth/2..._Democracy.pdf
    From what I've read it was about 30 percent. I thought the question though was the type of democracy Aristotle observed and analyzed.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    From what I've read it was about 30 percent. I thought the question though was the type of democracy Aristotle observed and analyzed.
    Aristotle endorsed democracy. And unlike many stupid people today, he knew "democracy" did not mean "pure, direct democracy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Isn't the point that living with democracy is a current event, and we want to keep it a current event?
    But neither are current 'events'.

    They are 'ongoing sources of discussion'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    But neither are current 'events'.

    They are 'ongoing sources of discussion'.
    Well, yeah. "Ongoing sources of discussion" are what we discuss to the extent that what happens here can be called discussion.
    "Give pearls away and rubies but keep your fancy free."

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