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    "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.” -Noam Chomsky, How the World Works

    https://dailynous.com/2022/09/29/phi...-or-paragraph/

    This almost sounds like an endorsement of libertarians' idea of free speech. In fact it is a criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.” -Noam Chomsky, How the World Works

    https://dailynous.com/2022/09/29/phi...-or-paragraph/

    This almost sounds like an endorsement of libertarians' idea of free speech. In fact it is a criticism.
    Great description of how the Left operates. The Left regularly outlaws, shouts down, or otherwise limits free speech. They hate free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Great description of how the Left operates. The Left regularly outlaws, shouts down, or otherwise limits free speech. They hate free speech.
    What leftist is thwarting your free speech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    What leftist is thwarting your free speech?
    Try going on any large social media platform and presenting conflicting views on a wide range of political or scientific topics that are in opposition to Leftist views. Say, give a POV that says Climate change is not manmade. See what happens. You'll be banned by the Leftists.

    The University of California at Berkeley just banned any speaker that supports Israel. Pretty much shooting down free speech if you ask me. What happens when some really conservative speaker shows up at some university, assuming they can get invited? Riots? Massive protests? The Left hates free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Try going on any large social media platform
    Nothing to do with free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The University of California at Berkeley just banned any speaker that supports Israel. Pretty much shooting down free speech if you ask me. What happens when some really conservative speaker shows up at some university, assuming they can get invited? Riots? Massive protests? The Left hates free speech.
    Again, nothing to do with free speech. UC Berkeley has no duty to allow every speaker a forum on campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Nothing to do with free speech.
    Absolutely has to do with free speech, unless you think those you disagree with shouldn't be able to speak in what amounts to the public square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Again, nothing to do with free speech. UC Berkeley has no duty to allow every speaker a forum on campus.
    They are a state run university--a government entity. They are constitutionally bound to allow any speaker on campus and give them an equal forum because they are a government entity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Absolutely has to do with free speech, unless you think those you disagree with shouldn't be able to speak in what amounts to the public square.
    The Constitution defines free speech in terms of the US government officially preventing something from being published, things like that. Nothing to do with commerce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    They are a state run university--a government entity. They are constitutionally bound to allow any speaker on campus
    Where did you get that from?! Never heard of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Where did you get that from?! Never heard of that.
    Berkeley is part of the University of California system, a series of state run and taxpayer paid for universities in California.

    UC Berkeley is a state-supported institution and, therefore, must charge all nonresident students an additional nonresident supplemental tuition fee. Residency for purposes of tuition is decided by the campus Residence Deputy — that means the decision is made at a campus-level, by UC Berkeley on behalf of the University of California.
    https://registrar.berkeley.edu/tuiti...f%20California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Berkeley is part of the University of California system, a series of state run and taxpayer paid for universities in California.


    https://registrar.berkeley.edu/tuiti...f%20California.
    You ignored my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You ignored my question.
    I absolutely answered your questions. You just don't like my answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I absolutely answered your questions. You just don't like my answers.
    Where did you post evidence that Berkeley has to allow every speaker a forum on campus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Where did you post evidence that Berkeley has to allow every speaker a forum on campus?
    https://apply.dailycal.org/2018/03/1...ng-free-speech

    That is one example, where they have to but the Left through threats of violence prevent it.

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