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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    If you reread it, you'll see it covers all anti Semitism.

    By announcing they were going to discriminate against Zionist Jews, they were sending a clear message that they are anti Semitic White Lib groups. Berkeley should throw these White Lib Jew hating Nazis off the campus or lose all federal funding, according to Federal law.

    Regulate? No, if White lib Californians want to subsidize Berkeley's White Lib Nazis, ... that's a 10th amendment right.
    Presidents (executive orders) do not have the power to ban "all Anti Semitism." Any anti Semitic speech is protected by the 1st Amendment. Berkeley cannot throw a group off campus because they are anti-Semitic unless they engage in discriminatory action prohibited by the school. Getting federal funds does not deprive students of their constitutional right to be anti-Semitic. Not inviting pro-Israeli or Jewish speakers does not constitute discrimination any more than an elementary school library choosing not to subscribe to Playboy constitutes censorship.

    Does a right-wing student organization that chooses not to invite socialist or communist speakers constitute discrimination that should get them kicked off campus?

    Before some idiot accuses me of being anti-Semitic, I do not approve of such action or like discrimination against any group, but I support their constitutional rights. I think these groups tend to be more anti-Israel than anti-Jewish. They decided Palestinians are more oppressed than Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Presidents (executive orders) do not have the power to ban "all Anti Semitism." Any anti Semitic speech is protected by the 1st Amendment. Berkeley cannot throw a group off campus because they are anti-Semitic unless they engage in discriminatory action prohibited by the school. Getting federal funds does not deprive students of their constitutional right to be anti-Semitic. Not inviting pro-Israeli or Jewish speakers does not constitute discrimination any more than an elementary school library choosing not to subscribe to Playboy constitutes censorship.

    Does a right-wing student organization that chooses not to invite socialist or communist speakers constitute discrimination that should get them kicked off campus?

    Before some idiot accuses me of being anti-Semitic, I do not approve of such action or like discrimination against any group, but I support their constitutional rights. I think these groups tend to be more anti-Israel than anti-Jewish. They decided Palestinians are more oppressed than Jews.
    Trump's EO is an expansion of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Title VI to include anti Semitism to include anti Zionism.
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    (Trump's) executive order takes indirect aim at the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement that has generated intense controversy on college campuses.

    Title VI bans discrimination based on race, color or national origin in programs and activities, such as colleges and universities, that receive federal funding. The executive order will extend the ban to discrimination based on anti-Semitism. ...

    ... Among its examples is "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.""

    https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/78717...e-speech-advoc
    If a Right wing group that receives federal funding violates the expanded 1964 Civil Rights Act, ... then yes, they should be booted.

    The conflict in Israel is just a continuation of the Muslim Jew War of 1948. And they were killing each other decades before that. The Muslims have committed massive amounts of terrorist acts against the Jews and are never held accountable for it by the Left.

    Not anti Jewish? ... that's the game the Left plays to get Israel wiped off the map. Israel has been under attack by the Muslims since day One of its existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    You can't just ignore the Treaty of Sevres.
    Its only relevance here is the territory that it ascribed to the Brits.
    The ceding of Eastern Mediterranean lands saw the introduction of novel polities, including the British Mandate for Palestine
    We both know that the Brits abrogated their responsibilities under their Mandate for Palestine and that those responsibilities passed to the UN- which applies them today- or attempts to while negotiating the immoral interference of the US. Nevertheless, modern international law applies and Palestine is a UN-recognized state.

    The squatters that the Israeli fascists have installed into Palestinian territory are there illegally. All of those illegal structures that Israel has built will become housing for the ethnically-cleansed Palestinians when international law with regard to Israel's crimes is applied. Of course, that will not happen until there is a sea-change in US politics- the decline of white Christian Zionists as a political force. That requires the truth about Zionism to be made known to the US voting public- and that- of course- is why I bother relaying the truth to brain-scrubbed America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Trump's EO is an expansion of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Title VI to include anti Semitism to include anti Zionism.
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    If a Right wing group that receives federal funding violates the expanded 1964 Civil Rights Act, ... then yes, they should be booted.
    The 1964 Civil Rights Act applied primarily to public accommodations--hiring, housing, certain retail facilities (restaurants). A student group that chooses not to invite Jewish speakers is not covered by the law. Also, the law allows for civil penalties, not booting a club off campus.

    The executive order and Civil Rights Act do not override the 1st amendment protections of the students. Putting the restriction in their bylaws might violate school policy for student organizations. Choosing not to invite Jewish speakers is not discrimination although the change in bylaws might violate school policy. Title IX of the Civil Rights Act applies to university policy, not student actions. Any American is free to call for the destruction of Israel, they don't lose that right because they are students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The 1964 Civil Rights Act applied primarily to public accommodations--hiring, housing, certain retail facilities (restaurants). A student group that chooses not to invite Jewish speakers is not covered by the law. Also, the law allows for civil penalties, not booting a club off campus.

    The executive order and Civil Rights Act do not override the 1st amendment protections of the students. Putting the restriction in their bylaws might violate school policy for student organizations. Choosing not to invite Jewish speakers is not discrimination although the change in bylaws might violate school policy. Title IX of the Civil Rights Act applies to university policy, not student actions. Any American is free to call for the destruction of Israel, they don't lose that right because they are students.
    What amazes me everyday is how little self awareness leftists have. I'd bet my mortgage money that every student who opposes the appearance of a pro-Israel speaker on campus would consider themselves a proponent of free speech. Do you see any contradictions, if not lie and hypocrisy? I wouldnt be surprised by a "No" btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    What amazes me everyday is how little self awareness leftists have. I'd bet my mortgage money that every student who opposes the appearance of a pro-Israel speaker on campus would consider themselves a proponent of free speech. Do you see any contradictions, if not lie and hypocrisy? I wouldnt be surprised by a "No" btw.
    Of course, but if you follow politics you understand the justification behind the hypocrisy (sensible or not). Parts of the left and right both believe certain principles are more important than others.

    Leftist student types think preventing evil speakers (anti-affirmative action, pro-war, etc.) from speaking is more important than free speech. The right wing thinks stopping voter fraud and keeping Trump in power is more important than law and order and following the Constitution. Both sides are basing their actions on a distortion of reality and outright lies.

    Certainly we all can see the abundant contradictions on both sides. Lindsey Graham's legislation puts prohibiting abortion ahead of his earlier claim that it is a state issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Of course, but if you follow politics you understand the justification behind the hypocrisy (sensible or not). Parts of the left and right both believe certain principles are more important than others.

    Leftist student types think preventing evil speakers (anti-affirmative action, pro-war, etc.) from speaking is more important than free speech. The right wing thinks stopping voter fraud and keeping Trump in power is more important than law and order and following the Constitution. Both sides are basing their actions on a distortion of reality and outright lies.

    Certainly we all can see the abundant contradictions on both sides. Lindsey Graham's legislation puts prohibiting abortion ahead of his earlier claim that it is a state issue.
    What the leftist student types think is less than useless. You don't think stopping voter fraud is a good think? Fascinating.

    I'm taking about this contradiction and the danger it poses to the larger population.
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    More broadly, student activism has no bearing on Berkeley’s deep institutional commitment to continue to teach growing numbers of classes in the fields of Jewish studies and Israel studies. The current Berkeley administration has done more than any of its predecessors to bolster that commitment. Rather than assail the administration for decisions made by student groups, our focus should be on educating students to do better.

    Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are concerns on numerous college campuses worldwide. That is precisely why Berkeley has become a national leader in taking on these issues. The Chancellor’s Advisory Committee on Jewish Student Life and Campus Climate meets regularly with senior campus leaders to address challenges for students on the Berkeley campus, continue to bolster the infrastructure of Jewish student life, and increase awareness about the dangers of antisemitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    More broadly, student activism has no bearing on Berkeley’s deep institutional commitment to continue to teach growing numbers of classes in the fields of Jewish studies and Israel studies. The current Berkeley administration has done more than any of its predecessors to bolster that commitment. Rather than assail the administration for decisions made by student groups, our focus should be on educating students to do better.

    Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are concerns on numerous college campuses worldwide. That is precisely why Berkeley has become a national leader in taking on these issues. The Chancellor’s Advisory Committee on Jewish Student Life and Campus Climate meets regularly with senior campus leaders to address challenges for students on the Berkeley campus, continue to bolster the infrastructure of Jewish student life, and increase awareness about the dangers of antisemitism.

    https://forward.com/opinion/520107/u...-filled-zones/
    fuck you, racist jew-bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    fuck you, racist jew-bag.
    Guano there is especially hate filled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    fuck you, racist jew-bag.
    Poor aggrieved goy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    What the leftist student types think is less than useless. You don't think stopping voter fraud is a good think? Fascinating.

    I'm taking about this contradiction and the danger it poses to the larger population.
    It caused a danger to the larger population in than it caused a riot in the Capitol and almost resulted in an interruption in the peaceful transfer of power. The anti-Israeli student groups are not as much of a danger unless that attitude spreads to the larger population. What occurs among student organizations is usually rather trivial and most of those more radical students are now Republican accountants.

    Stopping voter fraud is very important, but when it does not exist and causes a riot in the Capitol and millions believe it exists there is a real danger that the population has become delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Don't be an idiot. I was not defending their actions, just explaining that it doesn't really change anything because pro-Palestinian groups are not going to invite pro-Israeli speakers; so, putting a ban in the by-laws is just attracting attention and it is obviously working.

    This is nothing new. There is a lot of pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli sentiment on college campuses (and even on JPP). There is also a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment.

    What makes "racial discrimination" illegal in America? It depends on the law/constitution and who it applies to. And, Jews are not a race. Those civil rights laws do not apply to student organizations. If I am a business I cannot discriminate in hiring if I have at least 15 employees; so, it is not just a general prohibition against discrimination.

    If you are in a pro-Christian student group are you discriminating because you do not invite a Hare Krisna, Unification Church, or Black Muslim speaker to your group?
    Jews absolutely are a race. You're an oblivious idiot if you think they aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Jews absolutely are a race. You're an oblivious idiot if you think they aren't.
    There are only three races and Jews is not one of them. It is a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    There are only three races and Jews is not one of them. It is a religion.


    Try to wed a Hebrew Princess and see how much flak you get from the family. They have actively endeavored to keep their bloodline pure for millenia.

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