Reply With QuoteYou fail to understand schools are funded and run by the government. UC Berkeley is.Originally Posted by Flash
Schools like that are not private organizations. You better read that 14th amendment again.
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You don't understand basic constitutional rights.
Plus, this is a reversal from most of your views on governmental regulations on civil rights, affirmative action laws, etc.
Are you saying we can't form a private organization and exclude certain groups from that organization?
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You fail to understand schools are funded and run by the government. UC Berkeley is.
Schools like that are not private organizations. You better read that 14th amendment again.
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But the reality is that Berkeley is blessed with good fortune in ways that most campuses are not: We have the support of our campus leadership across the board for Jewish students and combating antisemitism; we have a homegrown initiative in the latter area that has made discernible progress and does regular trainings on our campus; and we are a place where Jewish and Israeli students, staff and faculty are active and visible in myriad sectors of the campus. Five hundred Berkeley students of all backgrounds attend Jewish studies classes on our campus every year.
We understand the alarm that provocative incidents can generate, and we welcome the support of the wider Jewish community. But if one wants to support Jews at Berkeley, the best way to do so is not to make outlandish claims. Rather, we invite all concerned for Jewish life at Berkeley to reach out and support our efforts; you will find a robust set of existing institutions eager to work with you in combating antisemitism and lifting up Jewish and Israeli life and culture on our campus.
https://forward.com/opinion/520107/u...-filled-zones/
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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Student organizations are basically private organizations who do not lose their 1st amendment rights. UC Berkeley is part of state government bound by the 14th amendment equal protection clause, but that does not apply to student groups. The university cannot require students to invite speakers or associate with those it chooses not to. University regulations concerning organizations is also a factor.
If a Christian student organization requires the president of the club to be a Christian, is that a ban of non-Christians that violates the 14th amendment?
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STFU. Why is there antisemitism going on at Berkeley? How would that make you feel if you were Jewish? Discrimination by race is illegal in America.
Gestapo Joe is a China Ho
Yes you are right, the white libs will continue to hate Jews whether it's in their by laws or not.
And yes, the Dean said it is in opposition to the campus's free speech policy.
On the issue of Federal funding ...
(Trump's) executive order takes indirect aim at the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement that has generated intense controversy on college campuses.
Title VI bans discrimination based on race, color or national origin in programs and activities, such as colleges and universities, that receive federal funding. The executive order will extend the ban to discrimination based on anti-Semitism. ...
... Among its examples is "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.""
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/78717...e-speech-advoc
This happened just weeks before the election. No users had any idea their news feed was being censored. Now they do.It appears you are saying it is the government's job to make sure that the media sources read by most Americans carries all the stories somebody believes is important. The public does not read most of the hard news contained on social media or Facebook, so they are still not aware of most of the stories.
Or, maybe the public should use different sources if they are interested in being informed. We can't treat them like babies. If I am interested in the Hunter Biden stories I can go to the NYPost Facebook page or NYPost website or do a search for that information. We can't make the government in charge of making sure the public sees those stories. A search of Facebook would have shown many different Hunter Biden stories, so Facebook did not deprive anyone of anything.
Many people get their news from CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Newsmax which are designed for people with certain views who do not carry negative stories about their side.
And again, we have the silicon oligarchs who control the majority of eyeballs, bending to the Dem party and abusing their Section 230 immunity to sway an election. Even now, Dem Media is crying that Elon's purchase of twitter will affect Nov's election.
You made much better arguments in the first half of your post.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
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"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
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Read the article from the Jewish press, the same paper my grandfather read in yiddish
UC Berkeley has many Jewish-filled ‘zones.’ If you want to support campus Jews, learn about them
Despite a decision by a small cohort to ban ‘Zionist speakers,’ Berkeley is not hostile to Jewish and Israeli students
Knesset Member Yossi Shain recently spent a week on the UC Berkeley campus. He lunched with several student groups, dined with faculty, spoke to political science students about the upcoming Israeli elections, gave a large public talk on his recent book and met with Jewish students at Berkeley Hillel.
His host was Berkeley’s Israel institute, housed in Berkeley’s Law School. This year alone, that institute, the Helen Diller Institute for Jewish Law and Israel Studies, is hosting 13 Israeli scholars who are offering 13 classes on Israel across campus, attracting hundreds of students. Jewish student life at Berkeley is thriving well beyond the classroom as well, with very successful Hillel and Chabad hubs and a wide range of active Jewish student organizations of every ilk.
The notion, then, that Berkeley is hostile to Israeli and Jewish speakers, let alone the idea — recently put forth in an incendiary op-ed in the Los Angeles Jewish Journal by Kenneth L. Marcus, a lawyer and academic who runs the Louis D. Brandeis Center for Human Rights Under Law — that the Berkeley law school has “Jewish-free zones” is preposterous. Panic-mongering around anti-Zionism on U.S. campuses serves no purpose, other than to offer free advertisement for extremist ideas, and to erode needlessly Jews’ sense of basic safety and security in places where Jewish life is actually thriving.
https://forward.com/opinion/520107/u...-filled-zones/
Beware of rightwing goyim who accuse others of antisemitism
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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Don't be an idiot. I was not defending their actions, just explaining that it doesn't really change anything because pro-Palestinian groups are not going to invite pro-Israeli speakers; so, putting a ban in the by-laws is just attracting attention and it is obviously working.
This is nothing new. There is a lot of pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli sentiment on college campuses (and even on JPP). There is also a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment.
What makes "racial discrimination" illegal in America? It depends on the law/constitution and who it applies to. And, Jews are not a race. Those civil rights laws do not apply to student organizations. If I am a business I cannot discriminate in hiring if I have at least 15 employees; so, it is not just a general prohibition against discrimination.
If you are in a pro-Christian student group are you discriminating because you do not invite a Hare Krisna, Unification Church, or Black Muslim speaker to your group?
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That executive order dealt with "Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions." I don't think that includes who a student organization invites to speak on campus.
Do you think government should regulate who a student organization can invite to speak? That is pretty oppressive.
Satire for Sanity
A Zionist-led US government wants to make it illegal to refuse to trade with fascist Israel. There are already laws to that effect. Those that lie with fascist dogs get fascist fleas.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
Gestapo Joe is a China Ho
If you reread it, you'll see it covers all anti Semitism.
By announcing they were going to discriminate against Zionist Jews, they were sending a clear message that they are anti Semitic White Lib groups. Berkeley should throw these White Lib Jew hating Nazis off the campus or lose all federal funding, according to Federal law.
Regulate? No, if White lib Californians want to subsidize Berkeley's White Lib Nazis, ... that's a 10th amendment right.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
Satire for Sanity
Bigdog;
No- the UN took on ALL of the responsibilities for Palestine that the ass-end of the British empire wanted to abrogate. Palestine had- and still has today- the mandated protections.They lost the war. It wasn't their country, it was a British mandate.
From where do you get the bizarre notion that Palestinians didn't have a country ? What do you think it is that the Israeli filth are trying to steal ?
Last edited by moon; 10-06-2022 at 12:55 PM.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
Satire for Sanity
No, ' antisemitism ' and ' antiZionism ' are not synonymous. Zionists would like it if they were- in fact they insist that they are- but they're not. It's very easily demonstrated that they're not when you consider that Christian Zionism is as reviled by antiZionists as any other form of the foul doctrine. You'd look very silly calling an opponent of Christian Zionism ' antisemitic '- as indeed many do. You should make sure that you're not one of them.
Supporters of Israel are supporting apartheid- as Israel is an apartheid state. If these Zionists had been banned from Berkeley because they wanted to preach apartheid then everybody would be applauding if they were run out of town on a pole. yet that's what they wanted to do.
Zionism stinks. It was termed ' racist ' by UN Resolution 3379 in 1975. The fact that the US had the resolution overturned years later by way of bribery and threats is neither here nor there- as most countries of the world now appreciate. Zionism IS racist. It practices apartheid, murder, ethnic cleansing and theft. Why any intelligent and moral person cannot see that can be laid squarely at the doors of the Zionist media, AIPAC and its tame politicians in Washington.
So let's rephrase the topic. ' Racists, apartheid practitioners, murderers, ethnic cleansers and illegal occupiers banned from preaching their crimes at Berkeley ' You still want to object ?
Last edited by moon; 10-06-2022 at 01:08 PM.
" First they came for the journalists...
We don't know what happened after that . "
Maria Ressa.
Gestapo Joe is a China Ho
You can't just ignore the Treaty of Sevres.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
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