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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    In Uvalde, the shooter used a semiautomatic assault style weapon and the police found at least seven 30 round magazines.
    In Oakland, the shooters used handguns and are restricted to 10 round magazines.
    And you want to claim the only difference was the shooter's aim?
    How do you know that? Are you psychotic... err, psychic, or something? They haven't caught the shooters in the Oakland incident and didn't recover firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
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    I spoke with a good buddy today who's wife works closely with the Mayor of Oakland so he's tied into everything happening in the City. I was hoping he would have more insight into the shooting but he didn't beyond what's already been reported. He did comment/complain about the number of shootings in Oakland this year (it's been really bad). He's pissed off at some of the City Council members who were big backers of defunding the police and now complain that Oakland doesn't have enough police on the streets, because they don't. (Funny how that works)

    It's reported the shooting was gang related. Were these a*holes just a bad aim and only hit innocent people? Or did they just go scorched earth and shoot at everyone hoping their targets would be hit? My buddy didn't know. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    How do you know that? Are you psychotic... err, psychic, or something? They haven't caught the shooters in the Oakland incident and didn't recover firearms.
    Wouldn’t they be able to determine the weapons used by shell casings? Bullets in victims if not too damaged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Wouldn’t they be able to determine the weapons used by shell casings? Bullets in victims if not too damaged?
    Only the caliber of the weapon. For example, if the shooter(s) used common 9mm parabellum. Those can be fired from any of hundreds of firearms, including one of these...



    If bullets are recovered, all they tell you is what kind of bullet was being fired and mostly to entirely, nothing about the weapon that fired them. You certainly couldn't tell what size magazine the shooter(s) was using unless these were recovered at the site. If there were no casings at the shooting site, you would be able to surmise that it was likely because the shooter used a revolver and didn't reload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    How can a question be a false equivalence?
    your last sentence, not a question. it wasn't any of TX gun laws that allowed 21 people to be killed.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    The Constitution does not stipulate an age, had it been 21, the shooter would not have been able to buy a weapon at 18.
    irrelevant. Do adults have rights? what age does one become an adult?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    I don't think ANYONE should be allowed to own firearms because I don't think anyone has enough personal responsibility to safely own their weapons.
    this is a lie. you've repeatedly said that only the FBI and secret service should have firearms.

    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    When 200,000 guns DON'T go missing every year, then I think I'd be comfortable easing gun laws.

    But that's a mighty big hill for your "very fine people" to climb, and I'm 100% confident you can't meet that standard.
    that very fine government of yours loses weapons all the time. google it.

    https://abc13.com/resellers-receive-...ebay/12269500/
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Wouldn’t they be able to determine the weapons used by shell casings? Bullets in victims if not too damaged?
    Only if the firearm is recovered.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    this is a lie. you've repeatedly said that only the FBI and secret service should have firearms.



    that very fine government of yours loses weapons all the time. google it.

    https://abc13.com/resellers-receive-...ebay/12269500/
    Yep. Fast and Furious comes to mind.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    So, the 18 year old being able to buy a gun and use it the next day had nothing to do with Uvalde?
    I owned a high power rifle at age 12. I shot no one.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    We can thank the NRA for another mass shooting.
    Do these look like NRA members?

    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    Do these look like NRA members?

    He's an idiot. He must think criminals spend the money to join the NRA. DUH! The NRA, by the way, train both civilians and police. They also sponsor and conduct marksmanship competitions. None of our members shot anyone.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    your last sentence, not a question. it wasn't any of TX gun laws that allowed 21 people to be killed.
    How can a simple statement of fact be a false equivalence when it makes no comparison?
    "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

    "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    How can a simple statement of fact be a false equivalence when it makes no comparison?
    let us know when you make a simple statement of fact.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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