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    In Jan. 6 case, a federal judge slams GOP over its election lies
    On the surface, it was a routine sentencing hearing for one of the more notorious Jan. 6 rioters. Kyle Young, whose lawyer said he was “injected” with political lies, took his teenage son to the U.S. Capitol, violently assaulted police officers, and got caught. Federal prosecutors sought a significant prison sentence.
    U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed, sentencing Young to more than seven years in prison.
    But just below the surface, there was a little more to it. In fact, the judge in this case — who has a no-nonsense reputation for not suffering fools gladly — took the opportunity yesterday to contextualize the proceedings.
    “You were not prosecuted for being a Trump supporter,” Jackson explained to Young. “You were not arrested or charged, and you will not be sentenced, for exercising your First Amendment rights. You are not a political prisoner.... You were trying to stop the singular thing that makes America America, the peaceful transfer of power. That’s what ‘Stop the Steal’ meant.
    As Politico noted, however, the federal judge also rebuked the Republican leaders who bore responsibility for the violence perpetrated by the defendant and people like him.
    The jurist went on to marvel at the extent to which GOP leaders are so beholden to “one man” that it has become “heresy” for Republicans to contradict Trump’s election lies.
    To be sure, there is a school of thought that suggests judges should steer clear of such commentary, which makes it all the more notable when they speak up.

    As we’ve discussed, others have ventured down this path. In November 2021, for example, Judge Amit Mehta sentenced a Jan. 6 rioter named John Lolos, while reflecting on the fact that the criminal was responding to Trump’s call.
    Mehta added, “People like Mr. Lolos were told lies, told falsehoods, told our election was stolen when it clearly was not. We’re here today deciding whether Mr. Lolos should spend 30 days in jail when those who created the conditions that led to Mr. Lolos’ conduct, led to the events of Jan. 6 [haven’t been] held to account for their actions and their word.”
    Speaking directly to the defendant, the judge continued, “In a sense, Mr. Lolos, I think you were a pawn. You were a pawn in a game directed and played by people who should know better. I think that mitigates your conduct.”
    A Politico report added at the time that Mehta wondered aloud about why other judges haven’t focused more on the former president and the degree to which he poisoned the minds of the rioters.
    “Once you hear people who should know better tell you that an election was stolen and they say it loudly enough, frequently enough,” the judge said, “it’s not surprising that people will believe it.”
    Five months later, after a jury convicted another Jan. 6 rioter, U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton shared a few thoughts after the verdict was read. “I think our democracy is in trouble, because unfortunately we have charlatans like our former president, who doesn’t, in my view, really care about democracy but only about power,” the conservative federal jurist said in court.
    As Politico’s report added, Jackson yesterday kept the pattern going, making the case that it’s up to the judiciary to help draw the line against democratic dangers.
    “[The judiciary] has to make it clear: It is not patriotism, it is not standing up for America to stand up for one man — who knows full well that he lost — instead of the Constitution he was trying to subvert,” Jackson said.

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    This raises an interesting question. Could one of those convicted for Jan 6th sue Trump and others that pushed "Stop the Steal" file a civil suit under the RICO act? They clearly would have been damaged since they committed crimes as a result of the racketeering that convinced them of the fraud. The loss of livelihood and time in jail would probably give them standing for the damages required to sue. The number of people arrested and charged with crimes would show the 2 crimes needed under the statute. The only requirement then is to tie Trump to the racketeering action which caused the crimes to be committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    This raises an interesting question. Could one of those convicted for Jan 6th sue Trump and others that pushed "Stop the Steal" file a civil suit under the RICO act? They clearly would have been damaged since they committed crimes as a result of the racketeering that convinced them of the fraud. The loss of livelihood and time in jail would probably give them standing for the damages required to sue. The number of people arrested and charged with crimes would show the 2 crimes needed under the statute. The only requirement then is to tie Trump to the racketeering action which caused the crimes to be committed.
    I wonder why this hasn’t been thought of by those claiming they believed Trump as their defense? Interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I wonder why this hasn’t been thought of by those claiming they believed Trump as their defense? Interesting
    The hurdle it has to get over is the first amendment argument. Would a court think that was a decision a jury should decide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    The hurdle it has to get over is the first amendment argument. Would a court think that was a decision a jury should decide?
    Agreed on First Amendment. Not a lawyer, but I think it's the preponderance of evidence that would sway a Judge and Jury on whether saying "Hang Mike Pence" is freedom of speech or a violent plot to hang the VP of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed on First Amendment. Not a lawyer, but I think it's the preponderance of evidence that would sway a Judge and Jury on whether saying "Hang Mike Pence" is freedom of speech or a violent plot to hang the VP of the United States.
    Methinks is definitely the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    Methinks is definitely the latter.
    Agreed. The weight of evidence seems to indicate there was a concerted effort to overthrow the election and murder all those in opposition to the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. The weight of evidence seems to indicate there was a concerted effort to overthrow the election and murder all those in opposition to the effort.
    I especially love this line by the judge:
    “You were not prosecuted for being a Trump supporter,” Jackson explained to Young. “You were not arrested or charged, and you will not be sentenced, for exercising your First Amendment rights. You are not a political prisoner.... You were trying to stop the singular thing that makes America America, the peaceful transfer of power. That’s what ‘Stop the Steal’ meant.”

    I'm sick of people referring to these traitors as 'patriots' or 'political prisoners'. They tried to stop an official governmental procedure by Congress that would transfer power.

    They are a bunch of facists and traitors. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    I especially love this line by the judge:
    “You were not prosecuted for being a Trump supporter,” Jackson explained to Young. “You were not arrested or charged, and you will not be sentenced, for exercising your First Amendment rights. You are not a political prisoner.... You were trying to stop the singular thing that makes America America, the peaceful transfer of power. That’s what ‘Stop the Steal’ meant.”

    I'm sick of people referring to these traitors as 'patriots' or 'political prisoners'. They tried to stop an official governmental procedure by Congress that would transfer power.

    They are a bunch of facists and traitors. That's all.
    The good news is that 99% loudmouthed antisemitic, racist WSE supporters on JPP are elderly chickenshits who are afraid to go to the store much less participate in the violent murder of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    The good news is that 99% loudmouthed antisemitic, racist WSE supporters on JPP are elderly chickenshits who are afraid to go to the store much less participate in the violent murder of Americans.
    Yeah, deep down inside, they're all just a bunch of big, fat PUSSIES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    Yeah, deep down inside, they're all just a bunch of big, fat PUSSIES.

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    Agreed about those on JPP.

    Still, the militias are out fomenting violent revolution and murder.

    I fully expect either a major terrorist attack or a major bust of a WSE plotting a major terrorist attack.

    There's a JPP member or two who could end up becoming a patsy and disappearing off JPP at the same time. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed on First Amendment. Not a lawyer, but I think it's the preponderance of evidence that would sway a Judge and Jury on whether saying "Hang Mike Pence" is freedom of speech or a violent plot to hang the VP of the United States.
    Depends on the circumstances in which it is said…. During a violent attack on the building the VP is in, very likely a violent attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Depends on the circumstances in which it is said…. During a violent attack on the building the VP is in, very likely a violent attempt.
    A key difference those who keep posting about Portland always overlook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    In Jan. 6 case, a federal judge slams GOP over its election lies
    On the surface, it was a routine sentencing hearing for one of the more notorious Jan. 6 rioters. Kyle Young, whose lawyer said he was “injected” with political lies, took his teenage son to the U.S. Capitol, violently assaulted police officers, and got caught. Federal prosecutors sought a significant prison sentence.
    U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed, sentencing Young to more than seven years in prison.
    But just below the surface, there was a little more to it. In fact, the judge in this case — who has a no-nonsense reputation for not suffering fools gladly — took the opportunity yesterday to contextualize the proceedings.
    “You were not prosecuted for being a Trump supporter,” Jackson explained to Young. “You were not arrested or charged, and you will not be sentenced, for exercising your First Amendment rights. You are not a political prisoner.... You were trying to stop the singular thing that makes America America, the peaceful transfer of power. That’s what ‘Stop the Steal’ meant.
    As Politico noted, however, the federal judge also rebuked the Republican leaders who bore responsibility for the violence perpetrated by the defendant and people like him.
    The jurist went on to marvel at the extent to which GOP leaders are so beholden to “one man” that it has become “heresy” for Republicans to contradict Trump’s election lies.
    To be sure, there is a school of thought that suggests judges should steer clear of such commentary, which makes it all the more notable when they speak up.

    As we’ve discussed, others have ventured down this path. In November 2021, for example, Judge Amit Mehta sentenced a Jan. 6 rioter named John Lolos, while reflecting on the fact that the criminal was responding to Trump’s call.
    Mehta added, “People like Mr. Lolos were told lies, told falsehoods, told our election was stolen when it clearly was not. We’re here today deciding whether Mr. Lolos should spend 30 days in jail when those who created the conditions that led to Mr. Lolos’ conduct, led to the events of Jan. 6 [haven’t been] held to account for their actions and their word.”
    Speaking directly to the defendant, the judge continued, “In a sense, Mr. Lolos, I think you were a pawn. You were a pawn in a game directed and played by people who should know better. I think that mitigates your conduct.”
    A Politico report added at the time that Mehta wondered aloud about why other judges haven’t focused more on the former president and the degree to which he poisoned the minds of the rioters.
    “Once you hear people who should know better tell you that an election was stolen and they say it loudly enough, frequently enough,” the judge said, “it’s not surprising that people will believe it.”
    Five months later, after a jury convicted another Jan. 6 rioter, U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton shared a few thoughts after the verdict was read. “I think our democracy is in trouble, because unfortunately we have charlatans like our former president, who doesn’t, in my view, really care about democracy but only about power,” the conservative federal jurist said in court.
    As Politico’s report added, Jackson yesterday kept the pattern going, making the case that it’s up to the judiciary to help draw the line against democratic dangers.
    “[The judiciary] has to make it clear: It is not patriotism, it is not standing up for America to stand up for one man — who knows full well that he lost — instead of the Constitution he was trying to subvert,” Jackson said.

    I rest my case.
    So you quote a biased judge who sentenced another to political prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    This raises an interesting question. Could one of those convicted for Jan 6th sue Trump and others that pushed "Stop the Steal" file a civil suit under the RICO act? They clearly would have been damaged since they committed crimes as a result of the racketeering that convinced them of the fraud. The loss of livelihood and time in jail would probably give them standing for the damages required to sue. The number of people arrested and charged with crimes would show the 2 crimes needed under the statute. The only requirement then is to tie Trump to the racketeering action which caused the crimes to be committed.
    No, you can't wish the evidence of election fraud by Democrats away, dude.
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