evince (09-30-2022)
Currently only the heaters will start to be phased out in 2030. You can usually get a variance to replace something that has been phased out for 20 years, so that means in 2050, you will begin to need to buy a new heat pump when your old heater dies. Heaters can be kept going for 50 years, so between 2050 and 2100 they will be replaced.
Or put another way, you cannot keep lighting your house with whale oil. You need to buy a lightbulb. I reassure you, they are cheaper.
The tank does not store water for use, it stores hot water, because it takes time to create hot water. Or put another way, the tank is never empty of water (or should never be empty). The amount of water flowing out is the same as the water flowing in. There is no need to change the water supply.
It uses less energy, so your bills will be lower. The cost is that you need a serious electric line going to the tankless heater, and your house needs enough electricity... BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CALIFORNIA... I do not know if you have noticed, but it tends to get hot there, so they already usually have modern electricity to the houses to power the air conditioning.
There is a very neat microwave technology for heating water with electricity coming along that will be the most efficient water heater yet.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
trump is a child rapist. We all know it.
evince (09-30-2022)
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
trump is a child rapist. We all know it.
Theywillneverlearn! (09-30-2022)
On tankless hot water heaters:
A typical install for electrical costs in material $20 a foot for the wire (typically 2/2G NM cable), not including mark up. The breaker right now is about $100, again not including mark up. Conduit and other materials, if necessary add on to that. Labor is typically $500 to $750. That puts the total electrical at $1000 to $1500. The plumbers charge on top of that.
Yea, I've installed a few. Worst part is, on most the manufacturer doesn't leave enough room to make the wiring connections easy inside the unit.
We have programs all over the state for replacing old windows and the like
We are a prosperous state and can plan programs like that
These programs even manage to save us tax dollars over the long haul
States that are too stupid and too poor just don’t understand
Walt (09-30-2022)
You have installed a few, and do not know that they do not require greater water volume. Tanked water heaters only put out as much water as they take in, so they require the amount of volume you are using to be available. There is no change when dealing with a tankless water heater. The tank is not filling up and emptying... Or should not be emptying. If you tanked water heater is empty, and turns on, it will do a lot of damage, and might even burn down the house.
As for the expensive of the electrical line, your numbers are a bit high, but it does cost money. Home improvement and maintenance does cost money.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
trump is a child rapist. We all know it.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
trump is a child rapist. We all know it.
Like vacuum break flush systems, the volume of water has to be increased instantaneously and be sufficient that when heated, won't cause a failure of the system from getting too hot. These systems normally have a flow meter inside and require a pretty substantial amount of water flow to work. On many older homes, the plumbing isn't sized to allow that to happen. That is, you might need 3/4" piping to get the volume necessary at your current water pressure instead of the 1/2" line that's currently available.
As for the electrical, I'm using the numbers from what I've had to pay for the materials to do these lately. My labor costs are lower, but the material costs are spot on.
Bookmarks