CA moves to ban natural gas heaters

[cawacko]

First off, California is one of the leading Blue States paying Red States to balance their budgets, and without California, with it’s GDP, and a few other Blue States, what is left of the US would resemble Albania

Eh, we actually went through a few years when we were takers from the federal government. We have the most wealth in the country, this is true. We also have the highest poverty rate and massive inequality and a shrinking middle class. Not exactly a sustainable model across the country.

[cancel2 2022]

Eh, we actually went through a few years when we were takers from the federal government. We have the most wealth in the country, this is true. We also have the highest poverty rate and massive inequality and a shrinking middle class. Not exactly a sustainable model across the country.

They have a surplus now but that won't last very long.

[ExpressLane]

Another reason to keep the fruits and nuts in CA.

California moves to ban natural gas furnaces and heaters by 2030

California is committing to a plan that will make it the first U.S. state to phase out gas-fueled furnaces and water heaters in homes, a move environmentalists are betting will provide a template for other states.

The Golden State will ban the sale of all new natural gas-fired space heaters and water-heating appliances by 2030, under a proposal unanimously approved by the California Air Resources Board on Thursday.

They had better improve the reliability of their electrical grid.

[cawacko]

They have a surplus now but that won't last very long.

We have a very high income tax and capital gains rate. So when the economy, but especially the stock market, does well we are flush with cash. When it doesn’t do well we have massive deficits. (We have a massive surplus now but are already projected huge deficits the next year or two.). It’s not a consistent model.

[ExpressLane]

Why do all the JPP RWNJ shit their pants every time California does something?

They laugh so hard they soil their pants.

[Doc Dutch]

They laugh so hard they soil their pants.

Good excuse. Kudos!

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Ooooh, watch out! Internet Tough Guy on the thread!

It is easy to be tough when reading through the pictionary posts from the board puss

[Stringfellow Hawk]

They should move to Texas. Fuck the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

The only thing worse than those idiots are the pussified whiners on JPP who keep posting about fucking California.

or the blowhards from north TX always having to swallow their shit when they fail to back up what they say

[Doc Dutch]

It is easy to be tough when reading through the pictionary posts from the board puss

As you well know. LOL

There are those who love to be Macho Men threatening others with violence and then there are those who have fun throwing spitballs at them.

[Doc Dutch]

or the blowhards from north TX always having to swallow their shit when they fail to back up what they say

If they can't back up their statements as you so often do, then you should call them on it, son.

[Walt]

Retrofitting a home to use electric appliances in place of gas involves some serious money.

California plans on stop installing new ones in 2030. There is no talk of retrofitting houses, except when the homeowner wants to. Obviously, the heaters installed up to 2030 will one day need replacing.

Seriously, heat pumps are so much more efficient, and allow you to use whatever energy source is available. It might make sense to replace a gas heater, especially if it is old.

And sometimes the electric stuff is more comfortable. I get as long of hot showers as I want now that I went with an instant water heater. The old gas or oil heated water heaters used to have their pipes break off in their tanks, and you would get only 5 minutes of hot water. It was terrible.

[Walt]

The chances that this happen are near zero

With the way technology is going, I doubt it will be needed. Heat pumps are going to replace gas powered, no matter what the government says.

[Walt]

They had better improve the reliability of their electrical grid.

That is true for California, it is true for Texas, and it is true for just about everywhere else. Not just the reliability, but also the ability to handle very different sources. The age of electrical grids delivering power solely from large generators is over.

What disturbs me is America knows we have to develop smart grids, and yet Republicans are fighting so hard against it. We may well have to buy our smart grid from foreign countries.

[T. A. Gardner]

California plans on stop installing new ones in 2030. There is no talk of retrofitting houses, except when the homeowner wants to. Obviously, the heaters installed up to 2030 will one day need replacing.

Seriously, heat pumps are so much more efficient, and allow you to use whatever energy source is available. It might make sense to replace a gas heater, especially if it is old.

And sometimes the electric stuff is more comfortable. I get as long of hot showers as I want now that I went with an instant water heater. The old gas or oil heated water heaters used to have their pipes break off in their tanks, and you would get only 5 minutes of hot water. It was terrible.

They are discontinuing their use. When gas appliances die, break, etc., after 2030 you will have to replace them.

The average instant water heater draws somewhere between 100 and 150 amps at 240 VAC. Most places, that spike in your electric use will drive your bill up on its own. Aside from that issue, it puts a strain on the grid for lots of people to be using those as collectively they represent a significant source of load spiking.
As for the plumbing on a tankless versus a tank water heater, the former often requires new lines at great expense to be run due to the need for greater water volume than with a tanked water heater. Either can experience hard water scale and corrosion. That's a function of the water going through them and the materials they are made from.

[T. A. Gardner]

That is true for California, it is true for Texas, and it is true for just about everywhere else. Not just the reliability, but also the ability to handle very different sources. The age of electrical grids delivering power solely from large generators is over.

What disturbs me is America knows we have to develop smart grids, and yet Republicans are fighting so hard against it. We may well have to buy our smart grid from foreign countries.

We don't need a smart grid if we use smart sources of energy. If we use stupid ones, like wind and solar, we're fucked no matter what we do. A grid based on large generators is the only smart way to go. Nuclear is best if you want "zero carbon." Solar and wind are nothing short of idiotic.