California bans building parking lots near transit stops

[cawacko]

Why is higher urban density necessarily desirable?

If you live in an area where there's a need for housing and land is not readily available then density is the answer.

[T. A. Gardner]

If you live in an area where there's a need for housing and land is not readily available then density is the answer.

That is virtually nowhere in the US.

[Hawkeye10]

That is virtually nowhere in the US.

There are cities around the world that are much more dense than California cities, and I am pretty sure none of them ever outlawed parking lots.

We are being lied to yet again, the program here is to get rid of private car ownership, because it gives people the feeling of freedom and then they want more of that.

[ExpressLane]

Maybe we're having two different conversations. I'm not questioning that homes cost more in California (and you are correct in that all the price inputs make building more expensive in California than elsewhere - but that's a state level thing, not national) but property taxes are lower in California than Texas due to Prop 13.

But all that still avoids the issue that NIMBYism dominates in California and when you don't allow supply to keep up with demand you have the imbalance that California does.

OK have you found your calculator yet?

If I told you I would raise your property tax by 1.2% and reduce the taxable value of your home by half but charge you 0% state income tax would you take it?

[T. A. Gardner]

There are cities around the world that are much more dense than California cities, and I am pretty sure none of them ever outlawed parking lots.

We are being lied to yet again, the program here is to get rid of private car ownership, because it gives people the feeling of freedom and then they want more of that.

There are whole nations where the density of cities is greater than in the US. There is no particular reason we need to increase urban density here. The Left wants it to increase because many--most--Leftists think that is how everyone should live because that's how they live. It's just one more dictatorial, totalitarian push by the Left to control people's lives.

Now, in Japan, a very densely populated nation, to buy a car you have to demonstrate to the government you have a place to park it. That's their rule. They don't control parking, but rather buying a vehicle without having a place to park it.

In Phoenix, I can recall several developers that had serious fails because they built high rise condos or apartments in high density urban settings, like the artificial City North project, only to find nobody wanted to buy their fucking development because of the lack of parking--among other things.

[Hawkeye10]

I have not read into this but given how California works I feel pretty certain that exemptions will routinely be given to projects the Regime approves of.

[Hawkeye10]

There are whole nations where the density of cities is greater than in the US. There is no particular reason we need to increase urban density here. The Left wants it to increase because many--most--Leftists think that is how everyone should live because that's how they live. It's just one more dictatorial, totalitarian push by the Left to control people's lives.

Given that density is not what this is about, that is the lie used to cover for what they are really doing, debating density is irrelevant here.

[T. A. Gardner]

Given that density is not what this is about, that is the lie used to cover for what they are really doing, debating density is irrelevant here.

But density is what they are trying, at least in part, to achieve. The authoritarian Left wants you and me to live in dense urban high-rise apartments and condos because they think that is what you want and should do. I recently got an e-mail survey from the University of Arizona (where I did my undergraduate studies) about whether I'd be interested in getting a luxury apartment in a high-rise in downtown Tucson that the university was backing.
I wasn't kind in my answers.

[Hawkeye10]

This came down the grapevine yesterday and is interesting......the plan from the energy transition stewards is to not allow people to plug in their electric cars at night, because there is no solar and the wind drops and they are now finally figuring out that the possibility of .building enough batteries with current tech are zero.

As if that could possibly work.....these people are FantasyLand Creatures.....and they are hurting us.

[Hawkeye10]

But density is what they are trying, at least in part, to achieve. The authoritarian Left wants you and me to live in dense urban high-rise apartments and condos because they think that is what you want and should do. I recently got an e-mail survey from the University of Arizona (where I did my undergraduate studies) about whether I'd be interested in getting a luxury apartment in a high-rise in downtown Tucson that the university was backing.
I wasn't kind in my answers.

Ya in their dreams hundreds of millions from all around the world will want to come to the AMERICAN UTOPIA, and there must be someplace to put them.

[Hawkeye10]

I am a bit surprised that Tucker has not run with this yet. He has been talking for a long time about how this war on cars and particularly private ownership of cars is not about saving the planet as the communists claim, this is about ease of surveillance and control. And that this is about not allowing the serfs the taste of freedom, because that would cause too many problems for the Over Lords of UTOPIA.

[Hawkeye10]

When you have no choice but to try to get a car service like Uber they can easily tell you no if they have a problem with you (Have you a low Social Credit score?), or if they dont want you to go where you want to go. Maybe they allow you to go but charge you up the ass trying to get you to reconsider. And remember too that the communists want to get rid of physical money, they want everyone on electric payments so that they can for instance see if we are eating too much meat.....people will not be able to do anything that reguires payment without Regime approval.

[cawacko]

That is virtually nowhere in the US.

It is in coastal urban areas and that's who this legislation is geared at (well since this is a California law it's geared to the Bay Area and L.A.)

[cawacko]

There are cities around the world that are much more dense than California cities, and I am pretty sure none of them ever outlawed parking lots.

We are being lied to yet again, the program here is to get rid of private car ownership, because it gives people the feeling of freedom and then they want more of that.

I am so intrigued. Why the continual misrepresentation/flat our lying about this legislation. It does not outlaw parking lots. Why the need to lie about that?

[cawacko]

OK have you found your calculator yet?

If I told you I would raise your property tax by 1.2% and reduce the taxable value of your home by half but charge you 0% state income tax would you take it?

Can you give me a scenario with actual numbers to demonstrate your example? Clearly you have something in mind, I'm just not able to follow it. Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious but how do you reduce the taxable value of your home by half short of an exodus from an area and property values just absolutely tank.