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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Trust me if you can't do that math in a 15 sec commercial break you need to stay in California. The increasing prices of construction materials (Biden flation) the increasing labor cost (paying people to stay home = bad) and the increase in people moving from California and New York and other states moving into Texas have all helped to increase the cost of homes.(Seller's market) Do you deny that Californians are leaving California to lower their tax burdens?



    https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    BTW: The comparison on California housing costs and Texas housing costs was from Mar 05, 2022

    https://homeia.com/city-living-guide...onal%20average.
    Maybe we're having two different conversations. I'm not questioning that homes cost more in California (and you are correct in that all the price inputs make building more expensive in California than elsewhere - but that's a state level thing, not national) but property taxes are lower in California than Texas due to Prop 13.

    But all that still avoids the issue that NIMBYism dominates in California and when you don't allow supply to keep up with demand you have the imbalance that California does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    please note that when I say develoopment I mean commercial as well as residential. stop incorporating more businesses and that housing deficit will take care of itself.

    Cali is FULL. At least the costal metropolises.
    In a certain sense we are pushing businesses out of the state with our high taxes, unfavorable business environment etc. etc. but I don't follow the logic that we should not allow new businesses here or encourage new businesses to start here or move here. That's how a state dies.

    We are not full. People claimed the state was full when we had 20 to 30 million and now we have 40 million. There is room to grow here. You need smart growth like allowing more density in urban areas such as legislation in the OP is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Until you realize that you can't do everything on public transit and need a car. Then it becomes a major problem...
    This legislation prevents no one from having a car. If you choose to live in the City without a car you can rent Zip cars or whatever the service is that lets you get cars for the hour or however long you need. You can borrow a friend's car. Lots of people live in SF without cars. But whether people choose to have a car or not isn't really relevant to this legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Not from the POV of individual people. If you have no alternative to public transit, you spend much more time travelling to wherever and returning. You are limited in your ability to shop for many things, like groceries. In fact, all around, you are hit if you can't have a vehicle.

    The same thing goes for developers. If you are a developer, any site within half a mile of a transit stop suddenly becomes a big negative because you can no longer provide parking. The same goes for businesses. If you are a business and you have no parking available, instead you have to rely solely on persons using public transit, you are likely ass fucked.

    And yes, Cali might want developers to build low-income housing and such, but there's really no money in it so they're likely to not bother. You don't build new section 8 housing. You cheaply refurbish rundown and antiquated buildings that nobody really wants any longer.
    I don't think you understand how this legislation works (hence your title being incorrect). The legislation says nothing about not being able to build parking. It says cities can't mandate the same amount they previously did for developments next to public transportation. Developers can still build more parking if they want to pay for it. But people who will live in this housing are the type that are less likely to use cars. If you're a family with kids and you want multiple parking spots you'll probably choose to live in one of thousands of other apartment buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post


    If cities do nothing, the next step for the Left is banning it.
    You lost. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I don't think you understand how this legislation works (hence your title being incorrect). The legislation says nothing about not being able to build parking. It says cities can't mandate the same amount they previously did for developments next to public transportation. Developers can still build more parking if they want to pay for it. But people who will live in this housing are the type that are less likely to use cars. If you're a family with kids and you want multiple parking spots you'll probably choose to live in one of thousands of other apartment buildings.
    He either knows that and is just trolling us or he's really insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    If you are still living in California you might think about getting out while you still can.
    That's exactly what everyone says when they see you coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    The same dumb shit republicans have said for decades while California kicks their ass economically


    We are the 5 largest economy in the world

    Oh and guess what


    If you take just Latino Americans into consideration


    Latinos are the 5th largest economy in the world

    Latinos are great in the small business area for an economy


    Give them a generation or two and they will be sitting as CEOs of large companies


    Yet the right hates them

    Go figure
    He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Investing in California was an iffy proposition even before this, now it is flat out dumb.
    It's the world's 5th largest economy, home to silicon valley and Hollywood. It's a hotbed of culture and innovation. It's a demonstration of American's success and ingenuity. No wonder you hate it, you fucking Russian troll.

    You always look like such an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    This is a great place to point out that thinking things through is a required life skill that is largely lost now in America.
    Yes, you're an irritating troll on a website. Your life really turned out great
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Ok, I'll bite. What was not thought through here?
    He won't answer. He just says random shit that sounds smart to him. HE doesn't ever understand what he says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    fair.....so long as they have enough water for everyone to drink they should be allowed to have as many people as they want......
    Water issues are not a "lib"problem, moron. It's worldwide. Wait 'till Saudi Arabia runs out of water - WWIII will commence soonafter I guarantee you, troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    If your business is within a half mile of a transit (eg., bus) stop, you will no longer be able to build parking spaces or a parking lot to accommodate your customers. If you are building apartments, you can't provide parking spaces for your tenants. If you are a car dealer... Well, you get the idea here. The state of California expects you to take the bus or other public transit everywhere like a good little peasant.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...29775aa0a4710b

    So, I guess this means people won't need those mandated electric cars after all...
    As a State's Rights supporter, you should whine less and pack for moving more.

    What kind of fucking moron constantly whines about a state when 1) it's not going to change anything and 2) it's smarter to move to Texas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    What an IDIOTIC THREAD....
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Until you realize that you can't do everything on public transit and need a car. Then it becomes a major problem...
    I'll throw this out as well and then I'll stop. Admittedly I'm projecting here but I think you saw this article and 1) misunderstood it - because it's not banning parking near public transit and 2) just instantly thought because California is doing it it must be bad.

    Now I'll be the first to admit the latter part is not an unreasonable reaction to have. It's one I often have. But in this case this legislation is pro-growth and pro-development (usually things people on the right support). Developers have wanted this for a long time because the unreasonable parking requirements previously made new development difficult to pencil out. And for a state with a housing crisis this will help with the supply side (again, something people on the right generally support).

    You have people on the left who dislike this because they often don't like new market rate developments and think government doing anything a developer wants is bad. But I don't understand right-wing opposition to this.

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