Now you are only proving you don't understand how statistics work. You should really stop proving your ignorance.
The MSM doesn't throw out the little gem. It is statistics generated from the random sample that is surveyed. Spend some time to look up statistics and why and how it works.
Read the explanations and the source documents before you make such obvious errors about people not being counted when their insurance runs out. By doing a household survey, BLS avoids the issue of not counting people whose unemployment insurance has run out. They say it right there in their explanation when they explain that people often make the mistake that you are making. Read it three times and then if you need it explained, ask someone. Employers don't report!!!! That is another mistake on your part. Don't you want to stop being ignorant? Because if you aren't willing to educate yourself then you stop being ignorant and reveal yourself to be stupid.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
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Your insults and basic repetition display your waning ability to prove your case, or disprove what I say. Pay attention to what you source, Rick. Again, the Census questions DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MULTIPLE JOBS HELD BY ONE PERSON. Essentially, this can lead to a more positive report.
Only residents who are in the labor force are counted in the unemployment rate. Someone who does not have a job but claims they are not looking for one is considered out of the labor force and is not counted in the unemployment rate. Economists call members of this group "discouraged workers." https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...ed-monthly.asp
But the kicker is this:
The Unemployment Insurance weekly claims data are used in current economic analysis of unemployment trends in the nation, and in each state
https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.asp
Nuff said, Rick. All this information is NOT treated as 2 different and separate issues. My previous statement stands valid despite all your repetitive supposition and conjecture. (yes, one site says one thing, then says another...both are gov't agencies dealing with the job market. You want to beat a dead horse on this, go right ahead.
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During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Actually, I stated AS FACT that nowhere in any of the links provided by Rick Saunders is the distinction made that 3 jobs are held by one person, and therefore the numbers of employed (as reported by businesses) is skewed as to the number unemployed (and yes, like it or not the unemployment insurance stats by the DOL play a part in the equation, as one of my links shows). Only the IRS has the records for how many jobs one actually has. Also, could you please point to the report and page where "under employed" is listed and how?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
I give you links to the actual entities that do the reports and then you give links to investipedia? I'll stick with the Bureau of Labor and their description of how they calculate unemployment and where they state why no one should use their numbers they way you are. They aren't "census" questions since the Census Bureau has nothing to do with the monthly unemployment numbers. Most people in the know don't just look at the U3 numbers even though those are the number most reported by the media. Do you even know what that U6 unemployment is compared to the U3? By the way investopedia supports my claim about discouraged workers which is in direct contradiction of your claim, "I think you would be hard pressed to actually find people who "just stopped looking for work" as our MSM has periodically stated in the last few decades."
Everyone uses the numbers. Everyone with any sense knows that the numbers are different and can't be used interchangeably. An increase in unemployment claims doesn't mean that that unemployment rate is going up since unemployment doesn't count discouraged workers. Your previous statements show you don't know much about how anyone uses the unemployment numbers. I have been using them for over 20 years. I see you don't want to be educated because you are convinced you know more than anyone else. Good luck with that in life.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
There you go again, trying to combine the different reports on employment to say that one is skewed BECAUSE of another one. No such thing can happen in the real world for people that actually understand what each report says. You keep claiming the numbers of employed as reported by businesses. There is no report by "BUSINESS" that says who is employed. You are making up a report that doesn't exist in the real world. ADP is not reporting on its employees. It is reporting on the payrolls of the business that use ADP. That is then used as a basis to estimate the rest of the business that don't use ADP. There is no report by businesses of the number of people they employ!!! That is your made up nonsense.
The IRS does NOT have the records of how many jobs one actually has. The IRS has the record of how many jobs are withholding taxes. That is not the same thing as the number of jobs one has. I could work 100 jobs for cash and the IRS would never know that I had those jobs.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm Are you willing to educate yourself on U5 and U6?Also, could you please point to the report and page where "under employed" is listed and how?
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
AOC was arrested, and given a $50 fine. The police saw no need to handcuff her, because unlike the Boeberts, she was not drunk and belligerent.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...t/10117539002/
AOC graduated cum laude with a dual major. Boebert flunked out of high school... Let that sink in, she was so stupid, she could not make it through high school.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
trump is a child rapist. We all know it.
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Boebert runs a restaurant.
So go figure:
The restaurant has been written up for health code violations.
If only she had gotten a better education she might have known better.
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Walt (09-30-2022)
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
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Hello Trumpet,
Absolutely. And true patriotism. The spirit of public service - for the people.
It's like these two women exemplify the spirits of the right and the left.
Boebert working against the system in the spirit of opposing government, AOC working for the people, for society, thinking of what is best for the USA.
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Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Trumpet (09-30-2022)
There are different pieces of advice, depending on how prevalent guns are. In situations where there are not many guns, they tell you to keep your hands behind your back, and stay calm when confronted by the police. In situations where there are many guns, you keep your hands visible, and stay calm. AOC did the wise thing, and got a $50 fine. The trump supporters broke into government buildings, and beat police officers with metal fire extinguishers... That is the wrong way to interact with police, and got them a few years in prison.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said it best, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."
Paul Begala, "Politics is show business for ugly people."
Stephen Colbert, "Reality has a well known liberal bias."
trump is a child rapist. We all know it.
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