morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.
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"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
isn't reality more than just the deep state jacking itself off?
morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.
Trump Wins,
by definition https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump
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Your first paragraph says it all, because that survey does NOT ask how many jobs does that person have. And if that person is only counted once, as you point out then any tally afterward is off no matter what other avenues you look, because those businesses are reporting an increase in employees.
People who are NOT looking for work but apply for unemployment insurance give a reason....medical, legal, etc. I think you would be hard pressed to actually find people who "just stopped looking for work" as our MSM has periodically stated in the last few decades...because unless they qualify for welfare (now "work fare" - Slick Willy's version of indentured servitude), no one in their right mind is just going to give up eating or living indoors (unless they become part of a criminal group).
Here's how the DOL approaches dolling out unemployment insurance: https://dol.ny.gov/work-search-frequ...20request%20it.
When the official final reports are given, they are always couched as "estimates".
I seriously doubt either Bobbert or Green give this matter this much thought. AOC may be (and can be, has been, will be) accused of generalizations, but here she's at least in the ball park.
Last edited by Taichiliberal; 09-28-2022 at 01:17 PM.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Does it show HOW that person is employed beyond full, temp or part time? Remember, businesses also report their employment/unemployment rate as part of the mix. AND the official reports always couch everything with the word "estimates".
Let me explain it to you in a manner you'll find acceptable: remember when Obama touted that the near recession that was the Bush legacy was over because employment was up as reported by businesses? The GOP retort was that those jobs were NOT of the same quality as the ones previously held (lower salaries, more part-time and temp, less benefits). They made the DISTINCTION to counter the official tallied facts that jobs were being filled and the horizon was brighter. All I'm doing here is applying to same scrutiny to the ACTUAL employment/unemployment rate.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Of course people stop looking for work. They retire. They are 55 and become discouraged because no one will hire them. They are a single mom and realize that they can't afford day care while working.
You really need to look at how the 3 different statistics are created. They are created by different entities entirely.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
https://adpemploymentreport.com/Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the government uses the number of people collecting unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under state or federal government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.
https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/claims.aspThe ADP National Employment Report is an independent estimate of the change in U.S. private sector employment and pay derived from actual, anonymous payroll data of client companies served by ADP, a leading provider of human capital management solutions.
The numbers are estimates because they use sampling to get their results. Any number that is calculated from a sample will have a statistical error so it is never given as an absolute.Unemployment Insurance Weekly Claims Data
The Unemployment Insurance weekly claims data are used in current economic analysis of unemployment trends in the nation, and in each state. Initial claims measure emerging unemployment and continued weeks claimed measure the number of persons claiming unemployment benefits.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
Businesses do not typically report their employment/unemployment rates. Large businesses are required by law to give notice for layoffs but none of the numbers from employment released every month come directly from businesses.
The problem you are having is that you don't seem to know the first thing about how the numbers are created or announced. It's best to not explain something you know nothing about.Let me explain it to you in a manner you'll find acceptable: remember when Obama touted that the near recession that was the Bush legacy was over because employment was up as reported by businesses? The GOP retort was that those jobs were NOT of the same quality as the ones previously held (lower salaries, more part-time and temp, less benefits). They made the DISTINCTION to counter the official tallied facts that jobs were being filled and the horizon was brighter. All I'm doing here is applying to same scrutiny to the ACTUAL employment/unemployment rate.
When it comes to what AOC was talking about, the question was a long one that included the unemployment number but was also about the rich vs the poor in today's society. AOC was answering about the rich vs the poor and how the poor have to work 2-3 jobs or 60-80 hour weeks to make ends meet. Her statement was taken out of context to try to claim she was talking about how unemployment was officially calculated. She clearly was not really talking about that at all. You are defending her out of ignorance which does you and AOC no favors. Educate yourself and you will have a stronger defense. The attack on AOC is idiotic since she wasn't talking about the unemployment rate and never used the words unemployment rate.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do."
Since they are estimates, then how can people point to them as if their conclusions are solid, conclusive FACT? You keep trying to split a hair to ignore the FACT that NONE of your examples incorporate my statement. Your first paragraph bends over backwards with supposition and conjecture...because when the MSM (print & broadcast) throw in that little gem of "people who have stopped looking for work", they sure don't do as you do here because of the severe flaws in it. Remember, unemployment insurance is temporary. When it runs out, those people are NOT counted....there are just ASSUMPTIONS as to what became of them. You keep proving my point when you post reports from the private and public sector employers, because you cannot point to 3 different employers registering the same person....common knowledge for average working people, but a stunning revelation for folk like G.W. Bush. And like your examples show, the UI is PART of the equation.....and if that equation leaves out some facts and estimates to "fill in the gaps", it's inaccurate. Why you are fighting this doesn't make sense.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
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