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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Wasn’t evidence, political donations don’t prove causation, even your article stated so, and if the CNN proof is Mulvaney’s opinion, no
    Based on the standard of "preponderance of evidence", it proves political affiliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    "end justifies the means" I didn't make this statement, you did.
    https://socialistworker.org/2012/04/...tify-the-means

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    IN ONE of many fruitless arguments, I remember my father attacking Marxism for believing that "the ends justify the means." By this, he meant that Marxists have no moral scruples and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

    Ironically, this was the same person who once told me, with a straight face, that the U.S. had to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki "to save lives."

    In fact, every ruling class in the world operates on the assumption that the "ends justifies the means." In every war, these rulers risk the lives of millions of ordinary soldiers on both sides in order to control some market, some bit of land or some slice of power.

    The U.S. government imposed a decade of debilitating economic sanctions on Iraq, resulting in the deaths of more than 1 million people--half of them children. The stated aim was to eliminate Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction."

    But lraq's military capabilities have been smashed. The real reason for sanctions is to assert U.S. dominance in the Middle East--to show that if any country steps out of line, it will be devastated.

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    Paul D'Amato is managing editor of the International Socialist Review and author of The Meaning of Marxism, a lively and accessible introduction to the ideas of Karl Marx and the tradition he founded. Paul can be contacted at pdamato@isreview.org.

    Asked by a reporter in 1995 if killing half a million Iraqi children was "worth it," Secretary of State Madeleine Albright responded that "the price, we think, is worth it." She certainly thinks that the end justifies the means.

    "The ruling class," wrote Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky in his book, Their Morals and Ours, "forces its ends upon society and habituates it to considering all those means which contradict its ends as immoral. That is the chief function of official morality."

    It is therefore "immoral" to kill in peacetime but a sacred duty to kill in war. It is impermissible for strikers to use force to stop a scab crossing a picket line but obligatory for a police officer to use force to break up that same picket line.

    holy fuck.

    i didnt want to agree with all this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra MAGA View Post
    Based on the standard of "preponderance of evidence", it proves political affiliation.
    “Political affiliations,” yes, those political afflictions expressed in their jobs, no, it would be like saying every Republican working in the Gov’t during the Biden Administration is were conspiracizing to sabotage Biden

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
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    IN ONE of many fruitless arguments, I remember my father attacking Marxism for believing that "the ends justify the means." By this, he meant that Marxists have no moral scruples and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

    Ironically, this was the same person who once told me, with a straight face, that the U.S. had to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki "to save lives."

    In fact, every ruling class in the world operates on the assumption that the "ends justifies the means." In every war, these rulers risk the lives of millions of ordinary soldiers on both sides in order to control some market, some bit of land or some slice of power.

    The U.S. government imposed a decade of debilitating economic sanctions on Iraq, resulting in the deaths of more than 1 million people--half of them children. The stated aim was to eliminate Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction."

    But lraq's military capabilities have been smashed. The real reason for sanctions is to assert U.S. dominance in the Middle East--to show that if any country steps out of line, it will be devastated.

    COLUMNIST: PAUL D’AMATO
    Paul D'Amato is managing editor of the International Socialist Review and author of The Meaning of Marxism, a lively and accessible introduction to the ideas of Karl Marx and the tradition he founded. Paul can be contacted at pdamato@isreview.org.

    Asked by a reporter in 1995 if killing half a million Iraqi children was "worth it," Secretary of State Madeleine Albright responded that "the price, we think, is worth it." She certainly thinks that the end justifies the means.

    "The ruling class," wrote Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky in his book, Their Morals and Ours, "forces its ends upon society and habituates it to considering all those means which contradict its ends as immoral. That is the chief function of official morality."

    It is therefore "immoral" to kill in peacetime but a sacred duty to kill in war. It is impermissible for strikers to use force to stop a scab crossing a picket line but obligatory for a police officer to use force to break up that same picket line.

    holy fuck.

    i didnt want to agree with all this.
    Mr. Psycho, maybe you would do better doing what you do best, which is dismembering bodies.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Mr Psycho, I never made that statement, you did.
    you didn't bring it up in this thread, i grant that, but do you agree with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
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    IN ONE of many fruitless arguments, I remember my father attacking Marxism for believing that "the ends justify the means." By this, he meant that Marxists have no moral scruples and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

    Ironically, this was the same person who once told me, with a straight face, that the U.S. had to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki "to save lives."

    In fact, every ruling class in the world operates on the assumption that the "ends justifies the means." In every war, these rulers risk the lives of millions of ordinary soldiers on both sides in order to control some market, some bit of land or some slice of power.

    The U.S. government imposed a decade of debilitating economic sanctions on Iraq, resulting in the deaths of more than 1 million people--half of them children. The stated aim was to eliminate Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction."

    But lraq's military capabilities have been smashed. The real reason for sanctions is to assert U.S. dominance in the Middle East--to show that if any country steps out of line, it will be devastated.

    COLUMNIST: PAUL D’AMATO
    Paul D'Amato is managing editor of the International Socialist Review and author of The Meaning of Marxism, a lively and accessible introduction to the ideas of Karl Marx and the tradition he founded. Paul can be contacted at pdamato@isreview.org.

    Asked by a reporter in 1995 if killing half a million Iraqi children was "worth it," Secretary of State Madeleine Albright responded that "the price, we think, is worth it." She certainly thinks that the end justifies the means.

    "The ruling class," wrote Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky in his book, Their Morals and Ours, "forces its ends upon society and habituates it to considering all those means which contradict its ends as immoral. That is the chief function of official morality."

    It is therefore "immoral" to kill in peacetime but a sacred duty to kill in war. It is impermissible for strikers to use force to stop a scab crossing a picket line but obligatory for a police officer to use force to break up that same picket line.

    holy fuck.

    i didnt want to agree with all this.
    Pretty funny, like the “Socialist Worker” is a popular vehicle, I’d bet even those who call themselves socialists don’t even know what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Was it under Robert Mueller, director 2001-2013? Mueller is a lifelong Republican, Vietnam volunteer, war hero etc. But he could be a “sleeper”.

    Was it under James Comey 2013-2017 or Andrew McCabe 2017? Both Republicans, but see above.

    Was it under Christopher Wray, nominated by Trump and director since 2017? Also a Republican. BUT when asked if he believed that the FBI’s investigation into Russian election interference and possible links to Trump's 2016 campaign was a "witch hunt", he said he did not!

    Wray could be the one!
    The GOP twumptards will say day is night if they think they need to. They'll say literally anything to deflect from the truth. The docs were classified, then they weren't then the FBI planted them, them, etc. It has to be exhausting for our twumptard buddies to keep track of all their lies.

    I'll tell you one way to get rid of them. When the make a claim, ask them for the evidence and keep hammering them no matter what they say.

    Yesterday, ExcessPain trotted out the "Joe did criminal stuff for Hunter chestnut". I asked him for evidence, and he posted a Fox News opinion piece YouTube video with a couple of wing nuts talking about Joe and Hunter. I said "no, evidence is like a cancelled check to Hunter from China or whatever bullshit the twumptards are making up. I told him, like the check that trump ordered and Cohen wrote to silence Stormy. I asked him if he had anything like that - haven't heard from him since.

    We can't let them just spew racist and treasonous horshit anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Political affiliations,” yes, those political afflictions expressed in their jobs, no, it would be like saying every Republican working in the Gov’t during the Biden Administration is were conspiracizing to sabotage Biden
    That's an illogical analogy. A logical one would be, if 94% of federal employees were Republicans, would you still have confidence in their ability to honestly investigate a Democrat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    you didn't bring it up in this thread, i grant that, but do you agree with it?
    Mr Psycho, it's time for you to take your meds.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Was it under Robert Mueller, director 2001-2013? Mueller is a lifelong Republican, Vietnam volunteer, war hero etc. But he could be a “sleeper”.

    Was it under James Comey 2013-2017 or Andrew McCabe 2017? Both Republicans, but see above.

    Was it under Christopher Wray, nominated by Trump and director since 2017? Also a Republican. BUT when asked if he believed that the FBI’s investigation into Russian election interference and possible links to Trump's 2016 campaign was a "witch hunt", he said he did not!

    Wray could be the one!
    I would think under Clinton. He understood the value of an armed security team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    You can't be pushing for truth and justice when you're in thrall to an ignorant mega-liar.

    Maybe you think uou can justify it in terms of politics, but I wouldn't follow a person like that WHATEVER his politics.
    what evidence do you have that i'm 'in thrall' to anyone?
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Mr Psycho, it's time for you to take your meds.
    do you agree with it, dammit!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    do you agree with it, dammit!?
    I do agree that you're a psycho that should be institutionalized.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Nice job. You flushed all the #AmericanSeditionsts and #Jan6Supporters right out of the woodwork. lol
    You idiot leftist imbeciles have been out for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    I do agree that you're a psycho that should be institutionalized.
    based on what?

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