"Roe Versus Wade"

[Yakuda]

Ectopic pregnancy.

That's a religious issue?

[Walt]

That's a religious issue?

Ectopic pregnancy should not be a religious issue.

[Yakuda]

Ectopic pregnancy should not be a religious issue.

It's not. Show me where it is.

[ThatOwlWoman]

In many red states, medical decisions have been taken from the doctors and patients, and given to religious fanatics with no understanding of science.

Death panels like $arah Palin screeched about? I'm curious about your comment -- which religious fanatics are making medical decisions? Are you referring to the forced-birthers?

[Walt]

Death panels like $arah Palin screeched about? I'm curious about your comment -- which religious fanatics are making medical decisions? Are you referring to the forced-birthers?

I am referring to the cases where laws are banning ectopic abortions, and the like. It is beyond forced birthers, because ectopic pregnancies do not end in a live birth. It is forced attempts to find a miracle.

[domer76]

Good question. To my way of thinking, when it's conceived but I know that's problematic for people. When would you say it's a baby?

Certainly not at conception. I ask that question in the context of pro-lifers using the language “killing unborn babies or children”. As if they were toddlers of some sort.

My belief is that life begins at conception. When do they become babies or children? I don’t know the answer to that.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Walt,

In many red states, medical decisions have been taken from the doctors and patients, and given to religious fanatics with no understanding of science.

Legislating from the pulpit. No wonder our country is going to you know where. We are not supposed to make laws recognizing religion.

Whatever happened to the 1st amendment?

[Yakuda]

Certainly not at conception. I ask that question in the context of pro-lifers using the language “killing unborn babies or children”. As if they were toddlers of some sort.

My belief is that life begins at conception. When do they become babies or children? I don’t know the answer to that.

The answer is in the name, pro-lifer not pro baby. Killing terminates a life, the person/baby/fetus discussion seems meaningless. We put people in prison for abusing dogs.

Ive not heard a good argument for the distinction.

[Yakuda]

Hello Walt,



Legislating from the pulpit. No wonder our country is going to you know where. We are not supposed to make laws recognizing religion.

Whatever happened to the 1st amendment?

Which law recognizes which religion?

[PoliTalker]

Hello domer76,

Certainly not at conception. I ask that question in the context of pro-lifers using the language “killing unborn babies or children”. As if they were toddlers of some sort.

My belief is that life begins at conception. When do they become babies or children? I don’t know the answer to that.

My understanding is that life is ongoing. There is no point where it 'begins' because it is handed down from one generation to the next.

A fetus becomes a baby upon live birth.

[Yakuda]

Hello domer76,



My understanding is that life is ongoing. There is no point where it 'begins' because it is handed down from one generation to the next.

A fetus becomes a baby upon live birth.

Baby/fetus is a distraction form the point abortion terminates a life.

[Walt]

Legislating from the pulpit. No wonder our country is going to you know where. We are not supposed to make laws recognizing religion.

Whatever happened to the 1st amendment?

Maybe ask a doctor or two, and don't just base it on the most religiously fanatical.

[ThatOwlWoman]

I am referring to the cases where laws are banning ectopic abortions, and the like. It is beyond forced birthers, because ectopic pregnancies do not end in a live birth. It is forced attempts to find a miracle.

Got it, thanks. Untreated ectopic pregnancies always end in a dead embryo, and sometimes end with a dead mom. Expect to see more of that in forced-birther states.

[Walt]

Got it, thanks. Untreated ectopic pregnancies always end in a dead embryo, and sometimes end with a dead mom. Expect to see more of that in forced-birther states.

OwlWoman said it in a few words, but 100% correctly.

[ThatOwlWoman]

OwlWoman said it in a few words, but 100% correctly.

Thanks. I wish I was wrong about this, but am not.