Doc Dutch (08-06-2022), evince (08-06-2022), Guno צְבִי (08-06-2022), LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
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FDR and Truman were playing for all the marbles. And rightly so.
They were not going to offer Japan terms. They were not going to let the Japanese government survive. They were going to occupy Japan, dismantle it's institutions, and rebuild it as a pacifist democracy.
Imperial Japan was an aggressor state with a long history of invading it's neighbors
Japan in it's imperial form could not be allowed to exist and survive.
I think the argument can be made that the only way to make Japan submit to our objectives was to convince them they had been utterly defeated and were on precipice of total annihilation.
Doc Dutch (08-06-2022), evince (08-06-2022), Guno צְבִי (08-06-2022), LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
The ends don't justify the means, and civilians should NEVER be targeted. Ever.
This was an atrocity.
You Googled that, amirite. In the real world Japan was desperately trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the world. No matter what you think of Japanese yellow fascists, they were building schools and factories all over Asia. The US calls that spreading democracy. We have to bomb them into compliance.
LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/...a-and-nagasaki
As horrible as it was
In total it saved more people from dying
One million American soldiers lives just on our side
Doc Dutch (08-07-2022), LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
Doc Dutch (08-07-2022), LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
More Japanese including civilians would have died
As well as American soldiers
Truman had to make a decision
He sided on fewer deaths
I will forever praise him for that
Doc Dutch (08-07-2022), Guno צְבִי (08-06-2022)
Last edited by Guno צְבִי; 08-06-2022 at 07:07 PM.
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Doc Dutch (08-07-2022), LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
ברוך השם
Doc Dutch (08-07-2022), evince (08-07-2022), LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
LurchAddams (08-06-2022)
Agreed. More moral in those days than over 75 years later. That's more time than between the Civil War and WWI. Gassing, glass or wooden bullets, triangular bayonets. War was to win. How many here defend the Yankee Scorched Earth strategy through the South? Under the Geneva Code, it's a war crime.
Morals and standards change. Mostly for the better and that's a good thing.
Truman made the right call.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Cypress (08-06-2022)
Allowing the war to continue was costing tens of thousands of deaths a day across the Pacific due to the side effects of war EG disruption to supply chains and shortages not to mention incendiary bombing raids were killing just as many if not more people than the nuclear weapons.
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