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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I'm more concerned about a vertical escalation. I'd prepare for Putin getting desperate and using tactical nuclear weapons.
    I believe he was quoted last week as stating 'nobody survives a nuclear war'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I just don't see any of the three.
    Revolution? There's widespread support for the war in Russia.
    Palace coup? Don't see that either for the same reason. Virtually everyone in a higher up government position is pro war... if not, off to the gulag.
    Horizontal escalation? The entire article gives reasons why Russian can't sustain that.
    I'm more concerned about a vertical escalation. I'd prepare for Putin getting desperate and using tactical nuclear weapons.
    You have no idea what the level of support is in that autocratic country so admired by Trumpers. We do know there have been protests in spite of the danger of arrest. Moreover, it's well known the government is afraid to institute a draft to buttress its overstretched armed forces. Some analysts believe time is more against Russia in this war than it is against Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    It really is. Those with means will escape. I almost expect to see the resurrection of the Iron Curtain again, with citizens being forbidden to leave the country for any reason. All that will be left will be the poor and the elderly and the unskilled/uneducated, like Oksana's aunt.
    I think completely sealing off Russia would be dangerous for Putin.

    The Russian people made sort of a pact with the devil regarding Putin. As long as they had economic freedom, religious freedom, and freedom of movement, they would look the other way at erosion of political freedom.

    I suspect Putin is reticent to do two things, which might undermine his legitimacy: seal off Russia in the Stalinist manner, and order a full war mobilization of the nation.

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    Russia is shifting forces to Kherson Oblast, for this long awaited Uk counter-offensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Russia is shifting forces to Kherson Oblast, for this long awaited Uk counter-offensive
    If Putin has fought to a virtual stalemate on the eastern front, and is fighting a defensive war on the southern front, then this war has been a collosal strategic failure for Putin.

    He never, ever expected a second rate European country could fight a world military superpower to a standstill.

    People in Russia are ultimately going to start asking if making some minor territorial gains in Ukraine was worth destroying the Russian army and undoing three decades of economic progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    If Putin has fought to a virtual stalemate on the eastern front, and is fighting a defensive war on the southern front, then this war has been a collosal strategic failure for Putin.

    He never, ever expected a second rate European country could fight a world military superpower to a standstill.

    People in Russia are ultimately going to start asking if making some minor territorial gains in Ukraine was worth destroying the Russian army and undoing three decades of economic progress.
    Russia when its armies came out of nowhere to defeat Hitler's millions-strong divisions compared to Russia today is the difference between a country that believes in a war and a country that doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Russia when its armies came out of nowhere to defeat Hitler's millions-strong divisions compared to Russia today is the difference between a country that believes in a war and a country that doesn't.
    good point

    Russia and the other Soviet republics were fully mobilized for war against Hitler, and were defending their soil against a bloodthirsty invader.

    I don't think invading Ukraine is the type of war that can stir the emotions and commitment of garden variety Russian soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I believe he was quoted last week as stating 'nobody survives a nuclear war'.
    He says all kind of things. He’s all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    If Putin has fought to a virtual stalemate on the eastern front, and is fighting a defensive war on the southern front, then this war has been a collosal strategic failure for Putin.

    He never, ever expected a second rate European country could fight a world military superpower to a standstill.

    People in Russia are ultimately going to start asking if making some minor territorial gains in Ukraine was worth destroying the Russian army and undoing three decades of economic progress.
    these are some serious gains in the south and east, but Russia is fighting against NATO weapons
    in our war against Russia - so it dont come easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    He says all kind of things. He’s all over the place.
    you should check the context of why it was said

    Putin Warns U.S.-Russia Nuclear War Would Leave No Survivors
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-warns...onflict-622276

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    You have no idea what the level of support is in that autocratic country so admired by Trumpers.
    Nobody does exactly but if if you watched a YouTube tv show called Bald and Bankrupt you might get some idea. It was done before the war over time in several (many) locales. These Brits visit all kinds of towns, go into peoples’ apartments, etc.
    You see Soviet Union flags still on display. One old lady had a sign hanging that translated “Crimea Is Ours”.
    No one knows the level of support for the war in Russia but there is definitely support.
    There was ‘widespread’ support for the Vietnam War in America. There was overwhelming support for the Iraq war. (I was against it from Day 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    you should check the context of why it was said

    Putin Warns U.S.-Russia Nuclear War Would Leave No Survivors
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-warns...onflict-622276
    One day he’s another Peter the Great expanding Russia, another day his invasion is a defensive operation.
    Those little Baltic countries that were former Soviet republics have genuine fear of Russian aggression.

    .. Dictator vs democracy: Belarus one year on
    On August 9, 2020, an unprecedented wave of protests swept across Belarus in the aftermath of a deeply flawed presidential election. The protects soon swelled into a nationwide pro-democracy movement that threatened to topple the regime of Belarus dictator Alyaksandr Lukashenka.

    With his twenty-six year reign poised to end in disaster, Lukashenka was rescued by Russia. Vladimir Putin simply could not allow the fall of a fellow post-Soviet dictator at the hands of a grassroots democratic uprising. Instead, he dispatched planeloads of propagandists to Minsk, provided Lukashenka with a financial lifeline, and publicly declared his readiness to send Russian forces into Belarus if things got “out of control.”

    Moscow’s intervention was a success and paved the way for an increasingly brutal crackdown as the Belarusian authorities sought to regain control over the restive country.

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...s-one-year-on/

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    these are some serious gains in the south and east, but Russia is fighting against NATO weapons
    in our war against Russia - so it dont come easy
    Read Sun Tzu.

    We've already covered this. Superior weapons don't win wars.

    If they did, we would have defeated the Taliban 20 years ago, and the North Vietnamese army 50 years ago.

    Wars are won by correct strategy, tactics, and the commitment and morale of your forces. And having a clear and achievable political objective as your goal.

    Russia has known for years that if they invaded Ukraine, European and North American nations would likely render the Ukranians military assistance. Military leaders and strategists are supposed to prepare for every reasonably possible contingency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Read Sun Tzu.

    We've already covered this. Superior weapons don't win wars.

    If they did, we would have defeated the Taliban 20 years ago, and the North Vietnamese army 50 years ago.

    Wars are won by correct strategy, tactics, and the commitment and morale of your forces. And having a clear and achievable political objective as your goal.

    Russia has known for years that if they invaded Ukraine, European and North American nations would likely render the Ukranians military assistance. Military leaders and strategists are supposed to prepare for every reasonably possible contingency.
    it's an artillery slug out for the most part and Ukraine has HIMAR GPS targeting
    That weapon allows hitting Russian ammo dumps,and rail lines and bridges by Ukraine beyond Russian ability to strike back at them
    CLEARLY JAVELIN RENDERED TANK COLUMNS OBSOLETE, and drones have been used Russia doesnt have

    Russia has superior missiles and can strike far into Ukraine,but cant advance armor.

    It ALL about the weapons

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it's an artillery slug out for the most part and Ukraine has HIMAR GPS targeting
    That weapon allows hitting Russian ammo dumps,and rail lines and bridges by Ukraine beyond Russian ability to strike back at them
    CLEARLY JAVELIN RENDERED TANK COLUMNS OBSOLETE, and drones have been used Russia doesnt have

    Russia has superior missiles and can strike far into Ukraine,but cant advance armor.

    It ALL about the weapons
    Ukraine didn't have heavy western weapons and artillery until April, and not in any quantity until this summer.

    Almost all the weapons Ukraine had on hand for the first couple months was it's stockpile of Soviet era weapons.


    History has numerous examples of a nation with superior technology being bested by a highly motivated force with inferior weapons.

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