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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Its distinguishing characteristic is that Fascism is nationalist. Communism is internationalist. Both are Leftwing, both result in dictatorships.
    Most countries are dictatorships, that does not make them left-wing. Hitler and Mussolini were not left-wing.

    I don't see anything internationalist in Cuba or North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The big difference between Communism and Fascism in social / political policy is that Communism is internationalist in outlook. That is, it wants a One-World-Government. Fascism on the other hand, is nationalist. That is, it seeks to establish an exclusionary state based on race, language, culture, etc. Both are types of political and economic systems that hail from the radical Left.
    Not the difference between fascism and communism. Communism can occur just nationally, and fascism can occur internationally.
    BOTH fascism and communism are forms of socialism.

    To implement it requires an oligarchy or dictatorship. Such oligarchies or dictatorships DO dream of being the World government.
    Indeed, that was the [i[]meaning[/i] of why the swastika was on the Nazi flag! It was there to represent the dream of spreading the dictatorship of Hitler across the entire world, and with it, the fascism and communism that it advocated.

    The right-hand swastika has always represented the outward influence of the temple (or religion) across a society. Indeed, you see this symbol on many temples today...especially in Asia and even in the United States, still carrying it's original meaning.
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    Merriam-Webster DEFINITIONS:

    Fascism - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control


    Communism - a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Soviet Union
    b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
    c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably


    Socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
    2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
    b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
    3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    Capitalism - an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market


    Theocracy - : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided


    Dictatorship - a despotic state, a government organization or group in which absolute power is so concentrated, a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique, autocratic rule, control, or leadership (dictator - one holding complete autocratic control : a person with unlimited governmental power)

    Oligarchy - a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes

    Democracy - government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

    Autocracy - government in which one person possesses unlimited power
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Fascism is also a political system where the State controls society in minute detail. Some examples of how this might occur in a country run by a fascist government:

    All private education is outlawed or severely restricted with strict oversight by the state. Public education is the only system allowed.
    Social scoring systems are in place. Your correct behavior and allegiance to the state are monitored.
    Social norms are required, such as a dress code, heavy regulation of any vice to include smoking, drinking, etc.
    The state wants to raise your children in place of you. That is, your child must go to daycare, then to a public school, then to approved group activities, etc.
    Public transit is pushed heavily because the state controls it.
    If worker's unions are allowed, they are heavily political and hew to the state dogma. They expect their members to do the same.

    Those are typical things a fascist government would do politically to control society.
    Yep. You described GQP indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Nope. The Nazi party was destroyed in WW2, and this isn't Germany. Fascism is a form of socialism. Democrats.
    Nazism is an idea. You cannot destroy ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Most countries are dictatorships, that does not make them left-wing. Hitler and Mussolini were not left-wing.

    I don't see anything internationalist in Cuba or North Korea.
    Almost all dictatorships are Leftwing. Cuba and N. Korea are Leftwing. They both espouse world domination. This has long been a Communist goal. Hitler and Mussolini were both radical Leftists. You do know that Mussolini and Stalin got along pretty good in the 30's don't you?

    https://fdocuments.net/document/the-...41.html?page=1
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    https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/m...ural-alliance/

    That's Mussolini cooperating with Stalin. The Italians went so far as to help the Soviets (Russians) design and build a whole generation of warships, design and build warplanes, etc. The two cooperated economically and intimately.

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    "There can never be a rightwing totalitarian country." - Fascists
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Almost all dictatorships are Leftwing. Cuba and N. Korea are Leftwing. They both espouse world domination. This has long been a Communist goal. Hitler and Mussolini were both radical Leftists. You do know that Mussolini and Stalin got along pretty good in the 30's don't you?

    https://fdocuments.net/document/the-...41.html?page=1
    A second source of the same document if you have issues reading it
    https://archive.org/details/RedBlack...istCooperation
    https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/m...ural-alliance/

    That's Mussolini cooperating with Stalin. The Italians went so far as to help the Soviets (Russians) design and build a whole generation of warships, design and build warplanes, etc. The two cooperated economically and intimately.
    I think you are confused with European version of left and right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I think you are confused with European version of left and right.
    The European version is Left and more Left...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The European version is Left and more Left...
    The American version is that Nazi Germany and Fascist Italian are certainly right wing. The GQP aspires to that as we have seen lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    The American version is that Nazi Germany and Fascist Italian are certainly right wing. The GQP aspires to that as we have seen lately.
    The American version of Nazis aren't Nazis. The German Nazis and Hitler would have imprisoned or murdered the whole bunch of them just as they did with Rohm's Sturmabteilung (the Brown Shirts). They represent a threat to the ruling party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The American version of Nazis aren't Nazis. The German Nazis and Hitler would have imprisoned or murdered the whole bunch of them just as they did with Rohm's Sturmabteilung (the Brown Shirts). They represent a threat to the ruling party.
    Yeah they would have murdered the Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    The American version of Nazis aren't Nazis. The German Nazis and Hitler would have imprisoned or murdered the whole bunch of them just as they did with Rohm's Sturmabteilung (the Brown Shirts). They represent a threat to the ruling party.
    Here genius, learn something:

    American Nazis in the 1930s—The German American Bund


    https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...n-bund/529185/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Various conservative authorities at JPP have told us so. But now that there’s a real prospect of fascists coming to power in Italy (again), RWNJs are drooling over it!




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    fascism isn't always nationalistic.

    right now it's internationalist variant is infecting the minds of many, causing them to declare war on all people in all countries, on behalf of their internationalist oligarch/ finance industry overlords.

    see klaus schwab and the world economic forum.

    anyone who supports the WEF is an internationalist fascist, and it seems to be lefties and disgraced neocons like the cheneys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I watched the video. Explain to me, with examples, why those cited in the video are "fascists." What exact things make them "fascist?"
    they have dumbed down the definition to just mean anything not anti-national.

    for them, not being a globalist dimwit means one is fascist.

    of course the real definition is the union of corporate and state power. period.



    internationalist fascism is a real thing, and is the paradigm of the current ruling anti-human elites.
    FASCISM: THE UNION OF STATE AND CORPORATE POWER

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