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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    [SIZE=3] If the president, vp, and speaker were all killed in a plane crash
    can we arrange that?......
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    can we arrange that?......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    There are other situations in which a person becomes president without an election by the people.
    There is no situation where someone becomes President of the USA after being elected by the people.

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    If the president, vp, and speaker were all killed in a plane crash the Sec of State would be come president without receiving a vote of the people.
    Wrong. It goes President, VP, Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore of the Senate, and then Secretary of State.

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    States could all pass a law giving their state legislature the power to choose electors without a popular vote.
    The Constitution requires the Federal Government to assure that states keep a voting form of government, so not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Wrong. It goes President, VP, Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore of the Senate, and then Secretary of State.


    Right. I forgot the President Pro Tem. But if the Pro Tem was also killed in the crash the Sec of State would become president although nobody voted for them for that position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The Constitution requires the Federal Government to assure that states keep a voting form of government, so not really.


    Not for president. It gives state legislatures the power to select electors. It says nothing about popular votes for president anywhere in the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But if the Pro Tem was also killed in the crash the Sec of State would become president although nobody voted for them for that position.
    Yes, if four people suddenly died, we would have a President who was appointed by someone elected, and then confirmed by the Senate. In theory, he would have the same views as the people we elected, and that is an awful lot of unlikely death to get there.

    I am not particularly worried. There is not some huge exception that allows us to be a dictatorship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Not for president. It gives state legislatures the power to select electors. It says nothing about popular votes for president anywhere in the Constitution.
    It is more complex than that. The Constitution does say, "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors", but also says, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government." That second one is generally thought to mean that the Federal government must keep the states at least somewhat democratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Yes, if four people suddenly died, we would have a President who was appointed by someone elected, and then confirmed by the Senate. In theory, he would have the same views as the people we elected, and that is an awful lot of unlikely death to get there.

    I am not particularly worried. There is not some huge exception that allows us to be a dictatorship.
    Even the original version from the video would not result in a dictatorship because whoever was appointed president would still be bound by the Constitution and Congress. We have too many safeguards to prevent abuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It is more complex than that. The Constitution does say, "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors", but also says, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government." That second one is generally thought to mean that the Federal government must keep the states at least somewhat democratic.
    That constitutional provision applies to the state government structure, not electoral votes. The framers did not support popular vote for president; thus, the electoral college.

    No states chose electors using popular votes in our first few presidential elections, so guaranteeing a republican form of government did not require a popular vote for electors in the views of the federal and state officials at the time.

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