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    “Compared to much of the developed world, America is a murderous country. The U.S. homicide rate is three times that of Canada, five of France, 26 of Japan. There are more guns in America today than there are people.”

    “Amid the stream of mass shootings that have become chillingly commonplace in America, the reality of the nation’s staggering murder rate can often be seen more clearly in the deaths that never make national news.”

    “Most gun violence in America is related to seemingly ordinary disputes that spin out of control and someone goes for a gun. Often, the victim and the shooter know one another. They are co-workers and acquaintances, siblings and neighbors. They are killed in farming villages, small towns and crowded cities.”

    “The data on firearm killings is woefully incomplete, with just over 60% of the country’s law enforcement agencies reporting crime statistics to the FBI’s national database. The FBI collects nationwide crime data, participation is voluntary on the federal level and thousands of law enforcement agencies send nothing or partial information. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does a careful count of homicides, but its data on each death is limited.”

    “Homicides are often associated with big cities like Chicago, where police say the majority of killings have some tie to gang rivalries, which in recent years often fester on social media before spilling into the streets. But while Chicago’s homicide rate is high, with nearly 800 killings in the city of 2.7 million last year, its rate per capita is lower than many smaller cities.”

    https://apnews.com/article/gun-viole...bb78bd2e0327c1

    Amazing that in 2022 we still don’t even have a handle on understanding gun violence, nor even a complete source on gun violence statistics.

    Fairly obvious we can thank the gun manufacturers via of the NRA via the Republican Party for that stupidity

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Compared to much of the developed world, America is a murderous country. The U.S. homicide rate is three times that of Canada, five of France, 26 of Japan. There are more guns in America today than there are people.”

    “Amid the stream of mass shootings that have become chillingly commonplace in America, the reality of the nation’s staggering murder rate can often be seen more clearly in the deaths that never make national news.”

    “Most gun violence in America is related to seemingly ordinary disputes that spin out of control and someone goes for a gun. Often, the victim and the shooter know one another. They are co-workers and acquaintances, siblings and neighbors. They are killed in farming villages, small towns and crowded cities.”

    “The data on firearm killings is woefully incomplete, with just over 60% of the country’s law enforcement agencies reporting crime statistics to the FBI’s national database. The FBI collects nationwide crime data, participation is voluntary on the federal level and thousands of law enforcement agencies send nothing or partial information. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does a careful count of homicides, but its data on each death is limited.”

    “Homicides are often associated with big cities like Chicago, where police say the majority of killings have some tie to gang rivalries, which in recent years often fester on social media before spilling into the streets. But while Chicago’s homicide rate is high, with nearly 800 killings in the city of 2.7 million last year, its rate per capita is lower than many smaller cities.”

    https://apnews.com/article/gun-viole...bb78bd2e0327c1

    Amazing that in 2022 we still don’t even have a handle on understanding gun violence, nor even a complete source on gun violence statistics.

    Fairly obvious we can thank the gun manufacturers via of the NRA via the Republican Party for that stupidity
    Oh, well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Compared to much of the developed world, America is a murderous country. The U.S. homicide rate is three times that of Canada, five of France, 26 of Japan. There are more guns in America today than there are people.”

    “Amid the stream of mass shootings that have become chillingly commonplace in America, the reality of the nation’s staggering murder rate can often be seen more clearly in the deaths that never make national news.”

    “Most gun violence in America is related to seemingly ordinary disputes that spin out of control and someone goes for a gun. Often, the victim and the shooter know one another. They are co-workers and acquaintances, siblings and neighbors. They are killed in farming villages, small towns and crowded cities.”

    “The data on firearm killings is woefully incomplete, with just over 60% of the country’s law enforcement agencies reporting crime statistics to the FBI’s national database. The FBI collects nationwide crime data, participation is voluntary on the federal level and thousands of law enforcement agencies send nothing or partial information. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does a careful count of homicides, but its data on each death is limited.”

    “Homicides are often associated with big cities like Chicago, where police say the majority of killings have some tie to gang rivalries, which in recent years often fester on social media before spilling into the streets. But while Chicago’s homicide rate is high, with nearly 800 killings in the city of 2.7 million last year, its rate per capita is lower than many smaller cities.”

    https://apnews.com/article/gun-viole...bb78bd2e0327c1

    Amazing that in 2022 we still don’t even have a handle on understanding gun violence, nor even a complete source on gun violence statistics.
    Specifically, what laws would have prevented these tragedies?

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    Fairly obvious we can thank the gun manufacturers via of the NRA via the Republican Party for that stupidity
    It's fairly obvious that it is MORONIC to blame the NRA and Republican Party for the acts of an obvious mental case in a Democratically controlled state and city.

    Again, what laws would have prevented this tragedy?

    Did you know there was a recent mall shooting in Copenhagen Denmark? The Danish man suspected in Sunday’s onslaught obtained the rifle and another gun illegally. He was also known to mental health providers in Denmark, https://nypost.com/2022/07/04/no-evi...thorities-say/

    What laws would have prevented that?
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    In a combat situation it is about 16 times better to do something useful and violent right away than to wait and figure out something even more useful and violent later.
    “whenever you put your faith in big government for any reason, sooner or later you end up an apologist for mass murder.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Specifically, what laws would have prevented these tragedies?
    Here we go again, question as dumb as Ailito saying limiting concealed weapons in NY didn’t stop Buffalo. Tell us, what law is going to prevent the next auto theft? bank robbery? cheating on one’s taxes? Etc.?

    What ever it is, we don’t have it now, but at least an understanding and knowing the real statistics of gun violence would be a help in addressing the problem

    And now “copy and paste” will return with, “you don’t know” or some corny copy and paste

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    What ever it is, we don’t have it now
    then grow a spine, or a set of testicles, and summon the courage to be prepared to shoot back. maybe that will slow it down some.
    In a combat situation it is about 16 times better to do something useful and violent right away than to wait and figure out something even more useful and violent later.
    “whenever you put your faith in big government for any reason, sooner or later you end up an apologist for mass murder.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    Right, you had nineteen trained and heavily armed in Texas and that worked out well, an armed security employee in Buffalo, and how in the hell are you going to fire back in Chicago when no one even knew where the bullets were coming from

    Cracks anyone up how gun huggers see themselves as Clint Eastwood when Barney Fife is more accurate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Specifically, what laws would have prevented these tragedies?



    It's fairly obvious that it is MORONIC to blame the NRA and Republican Party for the acts of an obvious mental case in a Democratically controlled state and city.

    Again, what laws would have prevented this tragedy?

    Did you know there was a recent mall shooting in Copenhagen Denmark? The Danish man suspected in Sunday’s onslaught obtained the rifle and another gun illegally. He was also known to mental health providers in Denmark, https://nypost.com/2022/07/04/no-evi...thorities-say/

    What laws would have prevented that?
    Alright then, you tell us.

    How do we stop the mass shootings? What would YOU do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Compared to much of the developed world, America is a murderous country. The U.S. homicide rate is three times that of Canada, five of France, 26 of Japan. There are more guns in America today than there are people.”

    ....
    The US has a couple of large minority groups that the majority of murders are coming from. That isn't true of Canada France or Japan. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-6.xls

    About 140 people are killed each year in mass shooting far far more people die in drunk driving and other alcohol related deaths. Maybe we should have a booze ban and save more lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    Alright then, you tell us.

    How do we stop the mass shootings? What would YOU do?
    I will answer for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Right, you had nineteen trained and heavily armed in Texas and that worked out well, an armed security employee in Buffalo, and how in the hell are you going to fire back in Chicago when no one even knew where the bullets were coming from

    Cracks anyone up how gun huggers see themselves as Clint Eastwood when Barney Fife is more accurate
    i reject your projection of your own incompetence on to me. not everyone is as unqualified as you.
    In a combat situation it is about 16 times better to do something useful and violent right away than to wait and figure out something even more useful and violent later.
    “whenever you put your faith in big government for any reason, sooner or later you end up an apologist for mass murder.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Compared to much of the developed world, America is a murderous country. The U.S. homicide rate is three times that of Canada, five of France, 26 of Japan. There are more guns in America today than there are people.”

    “Amid the stream of mass shootings that have become chillingly commonplace in America, the reality of the nation’s staggering murder rate can often be seen more clearly in the deaths that never make national news.”

    “Most gun violence in America is related to seemingly ordinary disputes that spin out of control and someone goes for a gun. Often, the victim and the shooter know one another. They are co-workers and acquaintances, siblings and neighbors. They are killed in farming villages, small towns and crowded cities.”

    “The data on firearm killings is woefully incomplete, with just over 60% of the country’s law enforcement agencies reporting crime statistics to the FBI’s national database. The FBI collects nationwide crime data, participation is voluntary on the federal level and thousands of law enforcement agencies send nothing or partial information. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does a careful count of homicides, but its data on each death is limited.”

    “Homicides are often associated with big cities like Chicago, where police say the majority of killings have some tie to gang rivalries, which in recent years often fester on social media before spilling into the streets. But while Chicago’s homicide rate is high, with nearly 800 killings in the city of 2.7 million last year, its rate per capita is lower than many smaller cities.”

    https://apnews.com/article/gun-viole...bb78bd2e0327c1

    Amazing that in 2022 we still don’t even have a handle on understanding gun violence, nor even a complete source on gun violence statistics.

    Fairly obvious we can thank the gun manufacturers via of the NRA via the Republican Party for that stupidity
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Compared to much of the developed world, America is a murderous country. The U.S. homicide rate is three times that of Canada, five of France, 26 of Japan. There are more guns in America today than there are people.”
    Making up numbers and using them as data is a fallacy, dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Amid the stream of mass shootings that have become chillingly commonplace in America, the reality of the nation’s staggering murder rate can often be seen more clearly in the deaths that never make national news.”
    Since you are defining any conflict as a 'mass shooting', you are just pissing in the wind, so to speak. No, you can't ban or limit guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Most gun violence in America is related to seemingly ordinary disputes that spin out of control and someone goes for a gun. Often, the victim and the shooter know one another. They are co-workers and acquaintances, siblings and neighbors. They are killed in farming villages, small towns and crowded cities.”
    This is called a special pleading fallacy. You are only concentrating on gun homicides, rather than homicides. You are making up numbers even in that discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “The data on firearm killings is woefully incomplete, with just over 60% of the country’s law enforcement agencies reporting crime statistics to the FBI’s national database. The FBI collects nationwide crime data, participation is voluntary on the federal level and thousands of law enforcement agencies send nothing or partial information. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does a careful count of homicides, but its data on each death is limited.”
    The CDC does not track this information. The FBI does. Every police report of homicide is reported to the FBI.
    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “Homicides are often associated with big cities like Chicago, where police say the majority of killings have some tie to gang rivalries, which in recent years often fester on social media before spilling into the streets. But while Chicago’s homicide rate is high, with nearly 800 killings in the city of 2.7 million last year, its rate per capita is lower than many smaller cities.”
    So you want to minimize and ignore gang warfare in places like Chicago. Gotit.
    Fake News.
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    Amazing that in 2022 we still don’t even have a handle on understanding gun violence, nor even a complete source on gun violence statistics.
    Fake News.
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    Fairly obvious we can thank the gun manufacturers via of the NRA via the Republican Party for that stupidity
    No, you cant' blame the NRA or gun manufacturers or gun owners that aren't out shooting up schools and parades.
    Bigotry.
    You can't ban or limit guns. That is unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Here we go again, question as dumb as Ailito saying limiting concealed weapons in NY didn’t stop Buffalo. Tell us, what law is going to prevent the next auto theft? bank robbery? cheating on one’s taxes? Etc.?

    What ever it is, we don’t have it now, but at least an understanding and knowing the real statistics of gun violence would be a help in addressing the problem

    And now “copy and paste” will return with, “you don’t know” or some corny copy and paste
    not dumb, we want to see what draconian levels you are willing to resort to here.

    Nobody suggests we ban certain vehicles or bill denominations as a solution - that idiocy is all on your side

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