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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else

    Unless Europe’s Large Hadron Collider coughs up a surprise, the field of particle physics may wheeze to its end


    A decade ago, particle physicists thrilled the world. On 4 July 2012, 6000 researchers working with the world’s biggest atom smasher, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European particle physics laboratory, CERN, announced they had discovered the Higgs boson, a massive, fleeting particle key to their abstruse explanation of how other fundamental particles get their mass. The discovery fulfilled a 45-year-old prediction, completed a theory called the standard model, and thrust physicists into the spotlight.

    Then came a long hangover. Before the 27-kilometer-long ring-shaped LHC started to take data in 2010, physicists fretted that it might produce the Higgs and nothing else, leaving no clue to what lies beyond the standard model. So far, that nightmare scenario is coming true. “It’s a bit disappointing,” allows Barry Barish, a physicist at the California Institute of Technology. “I thought we would discover supersymmetry,” the leading extension of the standard model.

    It’s too early to despair, many physicists say. After 3 years of upgrades, the LHC is now powering up for the third of five planned runs, and some new particle could emerge in the billions of proton-proton collisions it will produce every second. In fact, the LHC should run for another 16 years, and with further upgrades should collect 16 times as much data as it already has. All those data could reveal subtle signs of novel particles and phenomena.

    Still, some researchers say the writing is on the wall for collider physics. “If they don’t find anything, this field is dead,” says Juan Collar, a physicist at the University of Chicago who hunts dark matter in smaller experiments. John Ellis, a theorist at King’s College London, says hopes of a sudden breakthrough have given way to the prospect of a long, uncertain grind toward discovery. “It’s going to be like pulling teeth, not like teeth falling out.”

    https://www.science.org/content/arti...g-nothing-else
    Wow. That's gotta be depressing to find out your life's work is a dead end....or as the PC purists say, "progress challenged".
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Wow. That's gotta be depressing to find out your life's work is a dead end....or as the PC purists say, "progress challenged".
    The corruption of science as individuals pursue gravy trains is a huge MotherFucking Problem.....it is arguably the biggest problem with peer review......experts lie about the work of others to keep their money rolling in and their reputations strong.

    Bret and Heather talk about this all of the time.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Congress wouldn't fund a super collider in the United States, even though one was proposed. And we usually give the Pentagon anything they want, so I don't think the Department of Defense really had high hopes for amazing new weapons from the Higgs boson, supersymmetry, or string theory.
    A slight disagreement. "we usually give the senior Senators whose biggest donors want to sell their wares to the government anything they want". The military asks and then waits to receive. They sometimes get things they don't want or much inferior versions of what they do want.

    There's a reasons those in the military have this adage: "We have done so much for so long with so little that we can now do practically anything with nothing."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The corruption of science as individuals pursue gravy trains is a huge MotherFucking Problem.....it is arguably the biggest problem with peer review......experts lie about the work of others to keep their money rolling in and their reputations strong.

    Bret and Heather talk about this all of the time.
    You don't seem to be associated with anything sciencey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    You don't seem to be associated with anything sciencey.
    I suffer from the destruction of science along with everyone else.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I suffer from the destruction of science along with everyone else.
    That would explain it.

    As for particle physics, it's not the first dead end in science. Look at alchemy, witchcraft and ESP research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That would explain it.

    As for particle physics, it's not the first dead end in science. Look at alchemy, witchcraft and ESP research.
    The collapse of science is at least as important to the collapse of the West as is the collapse of Christianity.

    The mismanagement/weaponization of COVID has woken many up to how bad the situation is.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The collapse of science is at least as important to the collapse of the West as is the collapse of Christianity.

    The mismanagement/weaponization of COVID has woken many up to how bad the situation is.
    There is no collapse. Even the "Dark Ages" weren't that dark. People moved along. Some areas better than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Yep, since the Cold War began if it can't be weaponized, they're not interested.

    What a disappointing read, the OP. But... it's not over yet.
    I wanted my own particle beam weapon. At least a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    LIAR.

    107:10

    no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Wow. That's gotta be depressing to find out your life's work is a dead end....or as the PC purists say, "progress challenged".
    they're just moving into all into private hands.

    like how spacex inherited the gains enabled by the entire populaces' tax money.

    privatization sucks assholes in many instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Wow. That's gotta be depressing to find out your life's work is a dead end....or as the PC purists say, "progress challenged".
    If particle physics was easy, hairdressers and Trump supporters would be doing it.

    Since the LHC has been recently upgraded, there might be reason to be cautiously optimistic for the discovery of new physics beyond the Standard Model.

    Science also progresses by failure as much as it progresses by success. The Michaelson-Morley experiment was a legendary failure, but it put physics on track to the achievements of Einstein's theories of relativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That would explain it.

    As for particle physics, it's not the first dead end in science. Look at alchemy, witchcraft and ESP research.
    Science is very interested in trying to understand how ESP works. I think the BBC did a show on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    If particle physics was easy, hairdressers and Trump supporters would be doing it.

    Since the LHC has been recently upgraded, there might be reason to be cautiously optimistic for the discovery of new physics beyond the Standard Model.

    Science also progresses by failure as much as it progresses by success. The Michaelson-Morley experiment was a legendary failure, but it put physics on track to the achievements of Einstein's theories of relativity.
    I wish them the best.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goat View Post
    Science is very interested in trying to understand how ESP works. I think the BBC did a show on it.
    It doesn't work. Never has. We're stuck with the known rules of the Universe.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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