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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    You are so fucked up it makes no sense to try to set you straight.
    "When debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser"
    Have a nice day and better luck next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyerloggingon View Post
    Ornato wasn't in the car. She told Hutchinson someone told her. Hearsay on top of hearsay. Just rumors really. The fact that this show trial made Hutchinson their witness instead of someone actually in the car says it all.
    You and AssWipe are so ignorant, it almost makes me feel ashamed to school you. But school you I have...and I am laughing my ass off at the way you are handling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyerloggingon View Post
    "When debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser"
    Have a nice day and better luck next time.
    No need for a next time. Those of us schooling you two...wiped the floor with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    It is not hearsay. She testified to what she was told...and that is not hearsay.
    Hearsay Defined
    Hearsay is defined as an out-of-court statement, made in court, to prove the truth of the matter asserted. These out-of-court statements do not have to be spoken words, but they can also constitute documents or even body language. The rule against hearsay was designed to prevent gossip from being offered to convict someone. "



    "Engel, then the head of Trump’s security detail, then allegedly grabbed Trump’s hand and told him to take his hand off the wheel. Trump then allegedly turned on Engel himself, using his free hand to “lunge” toward the agent, Hutchinson said.

    This line of testimony would be considered inadmissible hearsay, if Hutchinson was testifying at trial and that testimony was being offered in support of the alleged fact of Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. Ornato didn’t witness the encounter himself, and he wasn’t under oath when he allegedly relayed the story to Hutchinson."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I obviously know what it means better than you.
    no you obviously don't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    False. Somebody told her what they witnessed. And she recounted that. The incident is hearsay, the conversation is not. Nor are any conversations to which she was a party. Keep your day job.


    "Engel, then the head of Trump’s security detail, then allegedly grabbed Trump’s hand and told him to take his hand off the wheel. Trump then allegedly turned on Engel himself, using his free hand to “lunge” toward the agent, Hutchinson said."



    "Ornato didn’t witness the encounter himself, and he wasn’t under oath when he allegedly relayed the story to Hutchinson. This line of testimony would be considered inadmissible hearsay, if Hutchinson was testifying at trial and that testimony was being offered in support of the alleged fact of Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. Ornato didn’t witness the encounter himself, and he wasn’t under oath when he allegedly relayed the story to Hutchinson. "
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    why is the concept of hearsay breaking frank's mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyerloggingon View Post
    Hearsay Defined
    Hearsay is defined as an out-of-court statement, made in court, to prove the truth of the matter asserted. These out-of-court statements do not have to be spoken words, but they can also constitute documents or even body language. The rule against hearsay was designed to prevent gossip from being offered to convict someone. "



    "Engel, then the head of Trump’s security detail, then allegedly grabbed Trump’s hand and told him to take his hand off the wheel. Trump then allegedly turned on Engel himself, using his free hand to “lunge” toward the agent, Hutchinson said.

    This line of testimony would be considered inadmissible hearsay, if Hutchinson was testifying at trial and that testimony was being offered in support of the alleged fact of Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. Ornato didn’t witness the encounter himself, and he wasn’t under oath when he allegedly relayed the story to Hutchinson."
    SHE WAS NOT OFFERING HER TESTIMONY TO PROVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER ASSERTED, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER.

    SHE WAS ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING ORNATO TOLD HER...AND SHE ANSWERED TRUTHFULLY.

    NO ONE IS EXPECTING HER THIRD HAND ACCOUNT OF WHAT WAS SAID IN THE FUCKING CAR TO "PROVE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER." ALL SHE IS TRYING TO DO IS TO ANSWER A QUESTION POSED TO HER.

    YOU ALMOST CERTAINLY REALIZE THIS, BUT YOU ARE A TRUMPER, AND YOU MUST CONTINUE WITH THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE ON.

    SO CONTINUE. THE LAUGHTER YOU ARE PROVIDING IS PRICELESS.
    ON HIS WORST DAY, JOE BIDEN IS A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN TRUMP WAS ON HIS BEST DAY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    no you obviously don't!
    Yes, I obviously do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Engel, then the head of Trump’s security detail, then allegedly grabbed Trump’s hand and told him to take his hand off the wheel. Trump then allegedly turned on Engel himself, using his free hand to “lunge” toward the agent, Hutchinson said."



    "Ornato didn’t witness the encounter himself, and he wasn’t under oath when he allegedly relayed the story to Hutchinson. This line of testimony would be considered inadmissible hearsay, if Hutchinson was testifying at trial and that testimony was being offered in support of the alleged fact of Trump trying to grab the steering wheel. Ornato didn’t witness the encounter himself, and he wasn’t under oath when he allegedly relayed the story to Hutchinson. "
    The ability of a Trumper to show his or her ignorance is astounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    The ability of a Trumper to show his or her ignorance is astounding.
    dude, you're clearly wrong.

    gaslighting everyody has failed as a political strategy.
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    Hello floridafan,

    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Does it really matter, what your opinions are? After all you would defend Trump, to the extreme, regardless of what was said or done.
    Done really know why you continue to defend this man, since your allegiance has changed.
    There is a certain portion of America that would stick with Trump no matter what he was accused of. They simply refuse to acknowledge any possible wrongdoing by this man. He is like a deity to them. His word is 'the truth,' and if his word changes then it is 'the new truth.' Absolute loyalty to the man. In their eyes, Trump can do no wrong. If Trump does it, that makes it OK. (Shades of Nixon, except now on a mass scale.)

    It is a very troubling situation for America. We need people to be loyal to our country, to our Constitution.

    No one person can be held higher.

    We are so many generations removed from a monarchy that these people do not understand where we must place our loyalty, nor why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello floridafan,



    There is a certain portion of America that would stick with Trump no matter what he was accused of. They simply refuse to acknowledge any possible wrongdoing by this man. He is like a deity to them. His word is the truth, and if his word changes then it is the new truth. Absolute loyalty to the man. In their eyes, Trump can do no wrong. If Trump does it, that makes it OK.

    It is a very troubling situation for America. We need people to be loyal to our country, to our Constitution.

    No one person can be held higher.
    absolutely wrong.

    we like his policies.
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    Hello Concart,

    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    No it isn't. It is just an anecdote that demonstrates Trumps emotional unfitness for the job. The top line is that Trump knowingly sent an armed crowd to the capitol and intended to go into the capitol with them.
    The Secret Service protected him from physical danger and also inadvertently protected him politically. Had he gone to the Capitol and been in the middle of that mess it could not be disputed that he was leading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Yes, I obviously do.
    your every utterance is evidence to the contrary.
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