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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    LIO has been credited with:

    expanding free trade
    -but not fair trade. or trade blocks where the USA would be disadvantaged by smaller economies

    increasing capital mobility
    -to the elite rich liberals or China

    spreading democracy
    - at the barrel of a gun

    promoting human rights
    -while ignoring Chinese slave labor and political absorption of Hong Kong with attendant atrocities

    collectively defending the West from the Soviet Union
    -why we already have NATO
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    It's diplostroking itself, while always looking to make the west/US pay.
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    internationalist flowery language is just how they sell technocratic totalitarianism.
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    I hadn't heard this term until yesterday.......is this what we used to call the New World Order?.......or is it just what we used to call globalization.......hopefully someone from what we used to call the Democratic Party can explain........
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I hadn't heard this term until yesterday.......is this what we used to call the New World Order?.......or is it just what we used to call globalization.......hopefully someone from what we used to call the Democratic Party can explain........
    New World Order is the unigovernment type thing- totalitarian world government

    this is like "Rules based world order"
    https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...hats-in-a-name
    In its communique, leaders of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) reaffirmed their commitment to the RBO and asserted that “China’s stated ambitions and assertive behaviour present systemic challenges to the rules-based international order”. That echoed US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s earlier statement that “our purpose is not to contain China, to hold it back, to keep it down. It is to uphold this rules-based order that China is posing a challenge to.”
    Where did it come from?

    The RBO emerged in the early 1990s under the shadow of the “Liberal international order (LIO)” – a term that is still much more widely used.

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    BUT

    China Wants a ‘Rules-Based International Order,’ Too
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/31...nal-order-too/
    the distinction between the United States’ supposed commitment to a system of rules and China’s alleged lack thereof is misleading in at least three ways. First, it overlooks the United States’ own willingness to ignore, evade, or rewrite the rules whenever they seem inconvenient. If we are honest with ourselves, we have to acknowledge that Washington sometimes thinks it is perfectly okay for might to make right and for winners to take all. The collapse of the Soviet Union, when the United States took full advantage of a weakened post-Soviet Russia, is a perfect example.

    Second, as Harvard University’s Alastair Iain Johnston has shown, China accepts and even defends many principles of the existing order, although of course not all of them. That situation may change in the future, of course, but even a vastly more powerful China would undoubtedly seek to retain whatever features of the present order serve its interests.

    Third, statements such as Blinken’s imply that abandoning today’s rules-based order would leave us in a lawless, rule-free world of naked power politics, unregulated by any norms or principles whatsoever. This is simply not the case:

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    sorry, but I see nothing there that clears up what this "liberal world order" is.....the context the Biden official used the term seems to imply its merely a price fixing scheme......

    interestingly as I was typing the above a commentator on TV called it "the globalizing new world order"........guess it encompasses all of the above.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    sorry, but I see nothing there that clears up what this "liberal world order" is.....the context the Biden official used the term seems to imply its merely a price fixing scheme......

    interestingly as I was typing the above a commentator on TV called it "the globalizing new world order"........guess it encompasses all of the above.....
    basically it's take a free ride off using US military power as a guarantor,and get the USA to pay for as much as possible to protect this rules based "liberal" world order.
    It's Biden/Blinken globalism with encouragement from Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    basically it's take a free ride off using US military power as a guarantor,and get the USA to pay for as much as possible to protect this rules based "liberal" world order.
    It's Biden/Blinken globalism with encouragement from Europe
    they need to keep it general enough to justify anything lib'ruls want to accomplish......
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    sorry, but I see nothing there that clears up what this "liberal world order" is.....the context the Biden official used the term seems to imply its merely a price fixing scheme......

    interestingly as I was typing the above a commentator on TV called it "the globalizing new world order"........guess it encompasses all of the above.....
    The Orwellian Leftists have made so many political terms AMBIGUOUS. It makes it difficult for left and right to have a discussion.




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    This article is about the use of the term "new world order" in international politics. For the conspiracy theory, see New World Order (conspiracy theory). For other uses, see New World Order (disambiguation).
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    Hello AProudLefty,

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    In international relations, the liberal international order describes a set of global, rule-based, structured relationships based on political liberalism, economic liberalism and liberal internationalism since the late 1940s. More specifically, it entails international cooperation through multilateral institutions (like the United Nations, World Trade Organization and International Monetary Fund) and is constituted by human equality (freedom, rule of law and human rights), open markets, security cooperation, promotion of liberal democracy, and monetary cooperation. The order was established in the aftermath of World War II, led in large part by the United States.

    The nature of the liberal international order, as well as its very existence, has been debated by scholars. The LIO has been credited with expanding free trade, increasing capital mobility, spreading democracy, promoting human rights, and collectively defending the West from the Soviet Union. The LIO facilitated unprecedented cooperation among the states of North America, Western Europe and Japan. Over time, the LIO facilitated the spread of economic liberalism to the rest of the world, as well as helped consolidate democracy in formerly fascist or communist countries.

    Origins of the LIO have commonly been identified as the 1940s, usually starting in 1945. with some scholars pointing to earlier agreements between the WWII-era Allies such as the Atlantic Charter in 1941. John Mearsheimer has dissented with this view, arguing that the LIO only arose after the end of the Cold War. Core founding members of the LIO include the states of North America, Western Europe and Japan; these states form a security community. The characteristics of the LIO have varied over time. Some scholars refer to a Cold War variation of the LIO largely limited to the West, and a post-Cold War variation having a more widespread scope and giving international institutions more powers.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera...national_order

    After World War II—the deadliest conflict in human history—countries sought to ensure the world never again devolved into such horrific violence.

    World leaders created a series of international organizations and agreements to promote global cooperation on issues including security, trade, health, and monetary policy. The United States has championed this system—known as the liberal world order—for the past seventy-five years. During this time, the world has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity.

    But these institutions are far from perfect, and today they are struggling to address new sources of disorder, such as climate change and a deadly pandemic. What’s more, democracy is on the decline around the world, authoritarianism is on the rise, and countries like China are deliberately chipping away at the liberal world order, creating parallel institutions of their own. Faced with these challenges, will the liberal world order survive? If a new system emerges, what will that mean for freedom, peace, and prosperity worldwide?


    https://world101.cfr.org/how-world-w...al-world-order
    My first thought is, yes, we need a world liberal order. I never heard it already exists! Why is that? Where is the messaging? There doesn't seem to be much. Who ever talks about this? I never even heard of it. It's just not mentioned.

    We have to fix that. One of the reasons conservatives have been so effective is they play the long game. This began in America with the Powell Memo. That led to people like the Koch brothers becoming very deeply involved in shaping public views to build support for control of taxation. Basically, they just don't care about the United States, take it totally for granted, and view our government as a big piggy bank they can raid over and over. They have no interest in paying their fair share of the burden of running this country. Their only goal is to reduce taxes on the rich. And it has worked. They co-opted the Republican Party, and they have gotten their way.

    They will continue to get their way until there is a liberal answer to the Powell Memo.

    The Powell Memo resulted in super-rich people funding all these think tanks and messaging organizations made to look like grass roots organizations. Gave 'em a real big kick start, like pushing snowballs off a mountain top. These organizations such as The Heritage foundation, the Cato Institute, etc. All of these and many similar conservative messaging organizations were founded just after the Powell Memo, which basically said that is what they needed to do to take control of America, because the news media was 'too liberal,' meaning it didn't favor big business the way big business wanted to be favored.

    No big surprise, now we have half the country thinking exactly what the super-rich wanted them to think, that the news was 'too liberal,' and that 'government is the problem.'

    What is needed are similar organizations focused on liberal world order messaging.

    Liberals? Progressives? We are simply not getting the message out by playing fair and hoping the 'liberal news media' will do it for us. We've lost that battle. It's time to get the same tools as the opposition.

    It is totally the greedy unscrupulous super-rich against the rest of us. Occupy Wall Street got their attention. They were very frightened by the idea that the jig might be up, that the people had turned on them.

    We need huge organizations funded by liberals to get in the public's face with the truth.

    We need somebody to write something as Earth-shattering as the Powell Memo, but this time a liberal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    In international relations, the liberal international order describes a set of global, rule-based, structured relationships based on political liberalism, economic liberalism and liberal internationalism since the late 1940s. More specifically, it entails international cooperation through multilateral institutions (like the United Nations, World Trade Organization and International Monetary Fund) and is constituted by human equality (freedom, rule of law and human rights), open markets, security cooperation, promotion of liberal democracy, and monetary cooperation. The order was established in the aftermath of World War II, led in large part by the United States.

    The nature of the liberal international order, as well as its very existence, has been debated by scholars. The LIO has been credited with expanding free trade, increasing capital mobility, spreading democracy, promoting human rights, and collectively defending the West from the Soviet Union. The LIO facilitated unprecedented cooperation among the states of North America, Western Europe and Japan. Over time, the LIO facilitated the spread of economic liberalism to the rest of the world, as well as helped consolidate democracy in formerly fascist or communist countries.

    Origins of the LIO have commonly been identified as the 1940s, usually starting in 1945. with some scholars pointing to earlier agreements between the WWII-era Allies such as the Atlantic Charter in 1941. John Mearsheimer has dissented with this view, arguing that the LIO only arose after the end of the Cold War. Core founding members of the LIO include the states of North America, Western Europe and Japan; these states form a security community. The characteristics of the LIO have varied over time. Some scholars refer to a Cold War variation of the LIO largely limited to the West, and a post-Cold War variation having a more widespread scope and giving international institutions more powers.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera...national_order

    After World War II—the deadliest conflict in human history—countries sought to ensure the world never again devolved into such horrific violence.

    World leaders created a series of international organizations and agreements to promote global cooperation on issues including security, trade, health, and monetary policy. The United States has championed this system—known as the liberal world order—for the past seventy-five years. During this time, the world has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity.

    But these institutions are far from perfect, and today they are struggling to address new sources of disorder, such as climate change and a deadly pandemic. What’s more, democracy is on the decline around the world, authoritarianism is on the rise, and countries like China are deliberately chipping away at the liberal world order, creating parallel institutions of their own. Faced with these challenges, will the liberal world order survive? If a new system emerges, what will that mean for freedom, peace, and prosperity worldwide?


    https://world101.cfr.org/how-world-w...al-world-order
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    3) Dumb conspiracy-addled MAGAs who have no idea what "Liberal World Order" actually means
    is there someone who does?......so far all we've been able to come up with is "what Demmycrats want".......
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    is there someone who does?......so far all we've been able to come up with is "what Demmycrats want".......
    Ive explained it 3 times - Liberal World order is the current moniker for "rules based world order"
    which became popular after the Cold War

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