Please explain/justify this

[Taichiliberal]

Bit picky, but I believe what they feel is missing is why the Government interned Japanese Americans, although wrong, it is understandable given the paranoia of the day. Mistake is that it is an English class, introduced for the literary value, and as personal narrative, the whole history is studied in the History class

I’ll top your offering:

“Texas educators' group suggests slavery be taught as 'involuntary relocation' to 2nd graders ”
https://www.businessinsider.com/texa...ocation-2022-7

Bull-fucking-shit!

No mass incarceration and internment of Americans of German, Italian decent. No rounding up and detaining/questioning Americans of Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Croatia origin or decent.

Racism was the basis...plain and simple. There is no other "justification".

[T. A. Gardner]

That isn't a progressive school.

The list I gave you of specific schools is.

[AProudLefty]

The list I gave you of specific schools is.

No you didn't. You listed examples of educators using the 1619 project and declared the schools to be progressive, whatever that means.

[T. A. Gardner]

No you didn't. You listed examples of educators using the 1619 project and declared the schools to be progressive, whatever that means.

Your reducto ad absurdum fallacy notwithstanding:

VALUES AND BELIEFS
The Chapel Hill-Carrboro City School District has a long-standing awareness of the importance of creating an equitable learning environment for all students and staff and developing collaborative partnerships with families and stakeholders that represent our diverse community. The Office of Equity and Engagement will work to eliminate inequities by disrupting systems that have historically marginalized students through student empowerment and district support.

https://www.chccs.org/domain/2623#ca...20220701/month

Another example is the Little Village Social Justice High School in Lawndale, part of the Chicago public school system.

https://sj.lvlhs.org/
https://sj.lvlhs.org/apps/pages/inde...=345915&type=d

[Taichiliberal]

Your reducto ad absurdum fallacy notwithstanding:


https://www.chccs.org/domain/2623#ca...20220701/month

Another example is the Little Village Social Justice High School in Lawndale, part of the Chicago public school system.

https://sj.lvlhs.org/
https://sj.lvlhs.org/apps/pages/inde...=345915&type=d

And if the parents get off their butts and get involved (PTA, meetings, etc.), they can determine what is or isn't going to be taught and how in conjunction with state and federal laws/mandates.

So what's your point in posting this in relation to the OP?

[AProudLefty]

Your reducto ad absurdum fallacy notwithstanding:

VALUES AND BELIEFS
The Chapel Hill-Carrboro City School District has a long-standing awareness of the importance of creating an equitable learning environment for all students and staff and developing collaborative partnerships with families and stakeholders that represent our diverse community. The Office of Equity and Engagement will work to eliminate inequities by disrupting systems that have historically marginalized students through student empowerment and district support.

That's a bad thing?

Another example is the Little Village Social Justice High School in Lawndale, part of the Chicago public school system.

https://sj.lvlhs.org/
https://sj.lvlhs.org/apps/pages/inde...=345915&type=d

So social justice is a bad thing? I just don't get you. What do you want for schools?

[Taichiliberal]

Many more progressive schools are already doing that. The aforementioned The 1619 Project is a perfect example. It is used in thousands of schools across the US as a history text even after being publicly discredited as fiction.

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts
A dispute between a small group of scholars and the authors of The New York Times Magazine’s issue on slavery represents a fundamental disagreement over the trajectory of American society.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...roject/604093/

[T. A. Gardner]

And if the parents get off their butts and get involved (PTA, meetings, etc.), they can determine what is or isn't going to be taught and how in conjunction with state and federal laws/mandates.

So what's your point in posting this in relation to the OP?

That sometimes, not using a particular book or text is justified, even to the point of banning it. That doesn't mean it should be entirely banned, just that in certain settings--like education--it has no merit or value and thus should be trashed for that purpose.

[T. A. Gardner]

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts
A dispute between a small group of scholars and the authors of The New York Times Magazine’s issue on slavery represents a fundamental disagreement over the trajectory of American society.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...roject/604093/

The 1619 Project is often factually wrong. There's no arguing that.

https://www.aier.org/article/fact-ch...d-its-critics/

Even a radical Leftist Socialist site points out the factual errors that are rife within The 1619 Project

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../nytr-d28.html

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174140

1619 Project Fact-Checker Says The New York Times Ignored Her Objections

https://reason.com/2020/03/06/1619-p...leslie-harris/

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And if the parents get off their butts and get involved (PTA, meetings, etc.), they can determine what is or isn't going to be taught and how in conjunction with state and federal laws/mandates.

So what's your point in posting this in relation to the OP?

That sometimes, not using a particular book or text is justified, even to the point of banning it. That doesn't mean it should be entirely banned, just that in certain settings--like education--it has no merit or value and thus should be trashed for that purpose.

Ahhh, but YOU HAVEN'T PROVED ANY JUSTIFICATION for the actions described in the OP, much less your attempt at equivocation to the grumblings over the 1619 Project.

And your "opinion" is not the equivalent of a fact when you assert that the OP is referring to something of "no merit or value".... nor can you say so regarding the the 1619 Project, as I demonstrate in a link in another post.

[T. A. Gardner]

Ahhh, but YOU HAVEN'T PROVED ANY JUSTIFICATION for the actions described in the OP, much less your attempt at equivocation to the grumblings over the 1619 Project.

And your "opinion" is not the equivalent of a fact when you assert that the OP is referring to something of "no merit or value".... nor can you say so regarding the the 1619 Project, as I demonstrate in a link in another post.

Yes, I did. I clearly stated it has no value as a factual work of history being an historical novel. As something read in an English class it could have value. That, of course, depends on how well it is written as a work of fiction and a novel. So, using it in an English class might be appropriate. Using it in a history class would be inappropriate.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts
A dispute between a small group of scholars and the authors of The New York Times Magazine’s issue on slavery represents a fundamental disagreement over the trajectory of American society.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...roject/604093/

The 1619 Project is often factually wrong. There's no arguing that.

https://www.aier.org/article/fact-ch...d-its-critics/

Even a radical Leftist Socialist site points out the factual errors that are rife within The 1619 Project

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../nytr-d28.html

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174140


https://reason.com/2020/03/06/1619-p...leslie-harris/

Let me pull the rug out from under the WSWS when they say, ".... The Times justifies its racial approach by claiming that slavery and the experience of African Americans are subjects long neglected by historians.

Wrong. From my link: Viewed from the perspective of those historically denied the rights enumerated in America’s founding documents, the story of the country’s great men necessarily looks very different. ... Underlying each of the disagreements in the letter is not just a matter of historical fact but a conflict about whether Americans, from the Founders to the present day, are committed to the ideals they claim to revere. And while some of the critiques can be answered with historical fact, others are questions of interpretation grounded in perspective and experience. In fact, the harshness of the Wilentz letter may obscure the extent to which its authors and the creators of the 1619 Project share a broad historical vision. Both sides agree, as many of the project’s right-wing critics do not, that slavery’s legacy still shapes American life—an argument that is less radical than it may appear at first glance. If you think anti-black racism still shapes American society, then you are in agreement with the thrust of the 1619 Project, though not necessarily with all of its individual arguments.

As for AIER....I consider libertarians in general as a joke .... a bunch of right wingers who want to smoke dope, get laid and discriminate as they please. Here, we see a more realistic rendering of what happened to black slaves after the Revolutionary War when they were moved to Nova Scotia ... points your source conveniently leaves out https://ageofrevolutions.com/2021/01...an-revolution/

And an oft mischaracterization of the point of her work, " ... Hannah-Jones said that her piece “doesn't claim that (the Revolutionary War) was fought solely to preserve slavery, but it does claim that it was a primary reason that some colonists, particularly in Virginia, decided to join the Revolutionary War.”
https://www.browndailyherald.com/art...in-watson-talk

So once again, you seem intent on the right wing bullhorn that ignores anything that factually disproves your mantras, let alone put the conclusion into serious contention. You believe what you want....I'll stick to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Ahhh, but YOU HAVEN'T PROVED ANY JUSTIFICATION for the actions described in the OP, much less your attempt at equivocation to the grumblings over the 1619 Project.

And your "opinion" is not the equivalent of a fact when you assert that the OP is referring to something of "no merit or value".... nor can you say so regarding the the 1619 Project, as I demonstrate in a link in another post.

Yes, I did. I clearly stated it has no value as a factual work of history being an historical novel. As something read in an English class it could have value. That, of course, depends on how well it is written as a work of fiction and a novel. So, using it in an English class might be appropriate. Using it in a history class would be inappropriate.

Once again, you seem to think that your opinion, supposition and conjecture as equivalent to facts and the logic derived from said facts.

They're not, which is why this latest regurgitation of yours is worthless.

Post #42 settles this for the objective, rational reader.

[Callinectes]

Why in the fuck would anyone need hide pictures of their family while teaching in a public school?

I told you, it provokes questions. And it doesn't matter if the teachers are gay or straight. If the kid's family situation is different, they might want to know why. Boom, now they're talking about it.

That is the dumbest, anti-American BS I have ever heard.

Is it really anti-American to not want to talk to my 7 year-old about trannies and homosexuals? Or to not want my kid to hear about it from an adult outside the family? Did you know about this stuff when you were in the 3rd grade?

The ignorance and fear is astounding.

Ignorance of what? And if you're a parent and you're not at least a little fearful of sending your kid out into THIS world, you are probably a poor parent.

Plus, discriminate much?

No, that is abhorrent to me as a Christian.

Does the heterosexual teacher need to hide their family photos?

Of course. Don't be ignorant!

[Taichiliberal]

Teachers are being requested to remove family pictures as the "don't say gay" law goes into effect in Florida.

It is seriously wrong!

I went through the Catholic school system and I don't remember seeing any teacher's family pics on their desk..even the married "lay" teachers. If this still holds true for most "parochial" schools, then they're spared this controversy.

Personally, I've always said that the "gay family" is an artificial concept. But with 30 years effort, they are making it a "legal" reality and getting the advertising industry to cash in on a new market.

Brave New World, this is becoming.