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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This novel probably doesn't need that much context either. "Class, our next assignment will be reading 'When the Emperor Was Divine.' This novel is about the experience of Japanese-Americans who were sent to internment camps during World War II. At that time, Americans were concerned that Japan might have planted some enemies within our borders, ready to strike once Pearl Harbor was attacked."

    What other context would they need?
    that's enough. as long as the reasoning is presented fully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    No, God won’t be asking about the two “married” men down the street because God has already determined their fate.
    Luke 6:37

    “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned."

    Gateway*Matthew 7*:: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

    "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

    The arrogance to believe you know how God will judge is the real sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-...ions-rcna36143

    "Some school officials have been accused of warning teachers not to wear rainbow articles of clothing and to remove pictures of their same-sex spouses from their desks."

    Some makes me nervous. Usually that means a minimal amount. Usually used to scare and divide. However, it does negate the "no it is not" narrative.
    Figures Guno would thanks this bullshit. Guno is a butt fucking twink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    If my child's teacher presents a unit on the Holocaust in a way where my child concludes it was ok, or necessary, or a positive for Germany that is a problem.

    There are certain evils in history.

    Slavery, Holocaust for example that don't really have "both sides".

    I would be more concerned about a book being used as curriculum that is sympathetic to Hitler than one critical of Japanese Internment Camps.

    No?

    Moreover, the lack of blunt denouncement of Japanese Internment Camps is exactly why Muslim Americans were mistreated after 9/11. We failed to teach that lesson and allowed a second generation of Americans to allow fear and hate lead to racism and violence/unjustified incarceration.
    As I've already pointed out, some Italian- and many German-Americans were rounded up and interned too. Some of the German-American internees were held until 1954.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    As I've already pointed out, some Italian- and many German-Americans were rounded up and interned too. Some of the German-American internees were held until 1954.
    They don't teach that in schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    Luke 6:37

    “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned."

    Gateway*Matthew 7*:: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

    "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

    The arrogance to believe you know how God will judge is the real sin.
    As I said, No, God won’t be asking about the two “married” men down the street because God has already determined their fate.

    God called it an abomination and it is.

    God's punishment for homosexuality: “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads” (Leviticus 20:13).

    That's Gods judgement and it is clear enough for even you to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    "History is written by the winners'
    I was taught all that but it wasn't being taught to flagellate oneself over it, like Shi'a Muslim on Ashura

    The emphasis by the left today is the USA is evil ,racist to the core, and must be torn down and rebuilt.
    screw that noise
    It' sthe same process used during Mao's Cultural Revolution
    You could be more wrong about your boogeyman the Left, but it's doubtful.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    that's enough. as long as the reasoning is presented fully.
    In another post you termed "the left" as "evil." What is truly evil are the Reichwingers trying to dictate what kids can learn in school -- even if they have to manufacture false narratives to do it. All this nonsense about "grooming," CRT, "encouraging kids to be gay or trans," etc. are good examples. Instead of addressing the real issues this country faces, the RW wants to focus on social issues because fear is a great motivator esp. for conservatives who wake up every morning scared of everything, it seems. You don't want kids to learn about the negative things in our history -- internment camps, residential boarding schools, slavery & Jim Crow. Why are these things taught as part of a well-rounded curriculum? So that we hopefully will learn from them and never repeat them. But you want them canceled, erased from memory, never spoken of in public. Why?

    It's because you abhor critical thinking. Those who have been taught that do not tend to vote for your type of politicians. They do not blindly accept whatever the media is blatting at them. They question authority. They expect more from our leaders than corruption, cheating, scandal, division. They do not blindly support war and war-mongering, nor are they in a hurry to engage in another one. In short, they are true patriots who love their country despite her flaws.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    In another post you termed "the left" as "evil." What is truly evil are the Reichwingers trying to dictate what kids can learn in school -- even if they have to manufacture false narratives to do it. All this nonsense about "grooming," CRT, "encouraging kids to be gay or trans," etc. are good examples. Instead of addressing the real issues this country faces, the RW wants to focus on social issues because fear is a great motivator esp. for conservatives who wake up every morning scared of everything, it seems. You don't want kids to learn about the negative things in our history -- internment camps, residential boarding schools, slavery & Jim Crow. Why are these things taught as part of a well-rounded curriculum? So that we hopefully will learn from them and never repeat them. But you want them canceled, erased from memory, never spoken of in public. Why?

    It's because you abhor critical thinking. Those who have been taught that do not tend to vote for your type of politicians. They do not blindly accept whatever the media is blatting at them. They question authority. They expect more from our leaders than corruption, cheating, scandal, division. They do not blindly support war and war-mongering, nor are they in a hurry to engage in another one. In short, they are true patriots who love their country despite her flaws.
    cmon man!
    Sitting there and telling me the R is "war mongering" while Biden is running around saying Putin must be stopped "before he get further" then Ukraine and leading the military aid (more then Europe) after impeaching Trump over military aid wont fly. Then there was Obama's Libya..ledby Hillary and Susan Rice.

    Not the the Republicans are much better, but they do have Rand Paul, and hopefully JD Vance and a few support like Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson,backed by Glen Greenwald,means we have the only dissent on military proxy war against Russia
    Then there was the Maidan under Obama,where we had neolibs ( really the same as neocons)
    in Obama's State dept undermining his own Russian reset

    as to CRT I'd point you to Virginia governor, where that sweater vest guy mobilized enraged parents over CRT - to turn Virgina from increasingly blue to red over that one issue
    ( not a formal class, but embedded in everything)

    There are critical thinkers on both sides,and there are mindless partisans as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    You could be more wrong about your boogeyman the Left, but it's doubtful.
    Remember I was a Dem up to Obama's 2nd term.
    I still despise Shrub, and was/am a big fan of Bill Clinton

    Left to their own devices the Dems would have spent 5 trillion more on build back better - can you imagine the inflation rate if that had passed?

    again the "establishment Republicans" are as bad - it's just that the Trump crowd is firmly against foreign wars.
    Trump had a remarkable 4 years, no wars, and trimmed us down to 2500 in Afghan
    Biden to his credit wanted out as well - he just screwed it all up like he does with everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whythink View Post
    Are you arguing that 1619 claims slavery was a primary mover of the American Revolution based on the quote from 1619, “doesn't claim that (the Revolutionary War) was fought solely to preserve slavery, but it does claim that it was a primary reason that ]some colonists, particularly in Virginia, decided to join the Revolutionary War.”

    If so, you are wrong!

    SOME COLONISTS IN VIRGINIA does not equate an argument that slavery was a primary mover for the Revolutionary War.
    Jeezus H. Fucking Christ! DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM? Go back, follow the chronology of the posts... read carefully and comprehensively, so you'll understand why I'm emphasizing the following:


    “ Hannah-Jones said that her piece “doesn't claim that (the Revolutionary War) was fought solely to preserve slavery, but it does claim that it was a primary reason that some colonists, particularly in Virginia, decided to join the Revolutionary War.”
    https://www.browndailyherald.com/art...in-watson-talk



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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    The removal of Confederate statues is a denial of history.

    Books that present an unbalanced view of internment camps denies historical context.

    Pictures of a man and his “husband” in the classroom...this is an attempt to present perversion and deviancy as “normal.”

    It is not.
    Really? Because one can go down to the local library and pick a plethora of books on the Civil War that gives more information than those statues ever could. The Germans don't celebrate Hitler, the Iraqi's pulled down Hussein's statue. Defenders of slavery get the same treatment.
    What is "unbalanced" about said books that you know of? In ever book I've read, the reasons for their creation are given...it's important that because it serves to demonstrate the sheer unfairness of it all.

    Neither of the aforementioned compares to the whole "equality" issue of hetero and homo sexuality. Personally, I see the whole homosexual (and all it's permutations) issue as an abnormal but common occurence in human condition. But it's nothing to kill someone over, much less severely discriminate over. Simple solution to the school picture thing....either everyone does it or no one does it. End of story.
    During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    They don't teach that in schools?
    Nope, not a bit of it. I only know about it because of my being a military historian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Nope, not a bit of it. I only know about it because of my being a military historian.
    The Holocaust was the main thing that was taught when WWII was taught in history. Those internment camps paled in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    The Holocaust was the main thing that was taught when WWII was taught in history. Those internment camps paled in comparison.
    I see the Holocaust as a secondary thing with regards to WW2. Brutality of that sort was pretty widespread and hardly limited to the Nazis. US internment of Japanese (and other) Americans was nothing by comparison. In fact, German and Italian POW's in that ended up shipped to the US had it pretty damn good. A low-ranked German enlisted man could make more money and eat better as a POW working on a volunteer job as say a farm worker in the US (yes, POW's were permitted to work jobs outside their camps) than he got paid to fight for the Nazis... Kind of disincentivizes fighting for the Nazis doesn't it?

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