Is DeSantis a "baby killer"

[Eagle_Eye]

Ronnie is running for President, he wants it both ways, against abortion, but he’ll allow it, should be a tough one for MAGA, but they never let principles get in their way

What you are saying is in your perfect world someone should either support unrestricted abortion up to birth or oppose abortion totally. Sorry I believe reasoned limits on abortion is better than no abortion at all.

[cawacko]

What you are saying is in your perfect world someone should either support unrestricted abortion up to birth or oppose abortion totally. Sorry I believe reasoned limits on abortion is better than no abortion at all.

I can’t speak to the political realities of Florida but if they dictate compromise I don’t think that means one is necessarily sacrificing principle. Reagan was big on that, he’s rather get some of what he wants than none.

[Eagle_Eye]

I can’t speak to the political realities of Florida but if they dictate compromise I don’t think that means one is necessarily sacrificing principle. Reagan was big on that, he’s rather get some of what he wants than none.

I agree.

[archives]

What you are saying is in your perfect world someone should either support unrestricted abortion up to birth or oppose abortion totally. Sorry I believe reasoned limits on abortion is better than no abortion at all.

Isn’t that the view of the religious right, most of the right, all abortion is a crime, are you telling us now there are variables involved,some are wrong, others are justified?

[archives]

I can’t speak to the political realities of Florida but if they dictate compromise I don’t think that means one is necessarily sacrificing principle. Reagan was big on that, he’s rather get some of what he wants than none.

No one can speak to the surrealism of Florida’s political realities, not even Floridians, especially Floridians, but the question remains, if one is adamantly against abortion on moral grounds, that it is murder, how does one rationalize it is allowed in some cases but not others?

It doesn’t compare to Reagan, Reagan, for the most part, was a pragmatist, spoke to the extremes, but in reality was practical enough to compromise, plus he had O’Neil to work along side, different GOP. Today’s right is supposedly principled, rather they say they are virtuous, and when bringing moralism to politics means you are right and the other side isn’t

And quite noticeable you have been mum about USC quite surprisingly abandoning the West Coast and conference and running off to the Big 10

[PostmodernProphet]

he knows you can't handle this cold turkey......when you aren't looking they can cut it to ten.....

[cawacko]

No one can speak to the surrealism of Florida’s political realities, not even Floridians, especially Floridians, but the question remains, if one is adamantly against abortion on moral grounds, that it is murder, how does one rationalize it is allowed in some cases but not others?

It doesn’t compare to Reagan, Reagan, for the most part, was a pragmatist, spoke to the extremes, but in reality was practical enough to compromise, plus he had O’Neil to work along side, different GOP. Today’s right is supposedly principled, rather they say they are virtuous, and when bringing moralism to politics means you are right and the other side isn’t

And quite noticeable you have been mum about USC quite surprisingly abandoning the West Coast and conference and running off to the Big 10

You’re arguing for an all or nothing attitude. At times it’s appropriate and others incrementalism or pragmatism is called for.

I had not heard any rumors of the conference move but it’s not shocking. It was inevitable with the consolidation going on in college football. I’m bummed to be leaving the PAC 12 but the previous conference President sucked and really put the conference behind all the others. To compete nationally USC was going to have to do something

[archives]

You’re arguing for an all or nothing attitude. At times it’s appropriate and others incrementalism or pragmatism is called for.

I had not heard any rumors of the conference move but it’s not shocking. It was inevitable with the consolidation going on in college football. I’m bummed to be leaving the PAC 12 but the previous conference President sucked and really put the conference behind all the others. To compete nationally USC was going to have to do something

Correct, and the majority of the right’s rhetoric on abortion as based upon moralism is all or nothing, would have to be, which raises the question of how they could be backing DeSantis without appearing contradictory

And, as I found out yesterday, it is a done deal, USC and UCLA are switching leagues, trading trips to Stanford for treks to New Jersey. So will USC still have any say over its football program?

[Eagle_Eye]

Isn’t that the view of the religious right, most of the right, all abortion is a crime, are you telling us now there are variables involved,some are wrong, others are justified?

I firmly believe there are reason's when an abortion is acceptable. Just because a woman doesn't want to have a child isn't one of them. Put the baby up for adoption. A few of good reasons for an abortion but by no means all of them would be rape, Incest, mothers health, ect.

[Jarod]

I support him-Floridians are so lucky to have him!!...
He's not a baby murderer...what does "compromised with baby murder" even mean?

He has supported and signed legislation that is Pro-Choice for the first trimester.

[Jarod]

No, he isn’t a baby killer but you are.

You support the murder of unborn children.

Apparently so does DeSantis.

[Jarod]

The American people will support a ban after 15 weeks. The will of the people, dummy.

Ok… I’m good with that pro choice just beyond the first trimester, unless the health of the mother is threatened.

I call that Pro-Choice!

[Earl]

Apparently so does DeSantis.

No, pay attention.

He is taking what he can get...for now.

You far left loons should know all about incrementalism, you use it on almost every issue.

[Earl]

Ok… I’m good with that pro choice just beyond the first trimester, unless the health of the mother is threatened.

I call that Pro-Choice!

Call it jelly beans but it places a limit on any abortion after 15 weeks.

You take what you can get...for now.

[TOP]

He has supported and signed legislation that is Pro-Choice for the first trimester.

And? How does that make him a baby murderer? His decision improves the chance of an unborn child in Florida to survive, doesn't it? If a woman miscarries at 15 weeks, does she lose a child ?