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    Putin claimed the fear of NATO was one reason for invading the Ukraine. That has now led to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Looks like Putin's plan backfired.

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    what a pathetic thread title. Ukraine is the existential threat to Russian redlines
    Any NATO movement on Russia would be thru Poland thru Ukraine, not the Baltics or Sweden
    NATO promised Ukraine membership in 2008, we meddled in the Maidan, and Kyiv (but not Donbas) became increasingly hostile to Russia

    Remember what the war is all about in terms of geopolitics - getting that buffer to NATO
    and taking Donbas while establishing a land route to Crimea is the goal for Putin

    Doesnt matter, Finland already had a robust defense.. The problem was always NATO expansion
    and specifically west defacto expansin into Ukraine.

    adding Sweden and Finland doesnt really change anything.
    Ukraine is losing 1000x a day, Zelensky is still calling for more, so the pulverization of Uk continues

    We are at war with Russia, im amazed Putin hasn't used thermobaric weapons in response

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    Had to figure one of the Putin apologists would be all over this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Had to figure one of the Putin apologists would be all over this...
    To deny Putin is to deny their lord and #MalignantMaster, Trump.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Putin claimed the fear of NATO was one reason for invading the Ukraine. That has now led to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Looks like Putin's plan backfired.
    I think it's great. Maybe he isn't playing 3D chess anymore, but Candyland.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Had to figure one of the Putin apologists would be all over this...
    you are so damned dumb you dont understand any geopolitics. What good does NATO expansion , demonization of Putin do for the west? It's counterproductive. It just drives Russia and China into a military block

    Obama was smart enough to try a Russian reset, Trump would have as well (he campaigned on it)
    but Trump was hobbled by the Russian hoax.

    Biden had a chance to stop the war by taking the Lavrov letters (Russian redlines) at face value.
    He didn't- so here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    what a pathetic thread title. Ukraine is the existential threat to Russian redlines
    Any NATO movement on Russia would be thru Poland thru Ukraine, not the Baltics or Sweden
    NATO promised Ukraine membership in 2008, we meddled in the Maidan, and Kyiv (but not Donbas) became increasingly hostile to Russia

    Remember what the war is all about in terms of geopolitics - getting that buffer to NATO
    and taking Donbas while establishing a land route to Crimea is the goal for Putin

    Doesnt matter, Finland already had a robust defense.. The problem was always NATO expansion
    and specifically west defacto expansin into Ukraine.

    adding Sweden and Finland doesnt really change anything.
    Ukraine is losing 1000x a day, Zelensky is still calling for more, so the pulverization of Uk continues

    We are at war with Russia, im amazed Putin hasn't used thermobaric weapons in response
    Have you even begun to comprehend the absolutely massive losses the Russian have taken in men and material. Its doubtful that they can hold out much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Have you even begun to comprehend the absolutely massive losses the Russian have taken in men and material. Its doubtful that they can hold out much longer.
    in a war of attrition ( which this is) Russia wins..of course everyone loses - but Russia achieves it's goals.

    what does Ukraine get by not suing for peace? more of the same massive losses and pulverization

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    in a war of attrition ( which this is) Russia wins..of course everyone loses - but Russia achieves it's goals.

    what does Ukraine get by not suing for peace? more of the same massive losses and pulverization
    Lets begin with your first lie, Ukraine is not losing 1000 soldiers per day, and you know it. Secondly Ukraine is receiving arms from almost ever NATO country. Russia will run out, Ukraine wont.
    Now do you want to discuss the absolutely massive Russian losses to date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Had to figure one of the Putin apologists would be all over this...
    Dukkha is correct that geographically, Finland and Sweden are meaningless to Putin.

    If anything, he will use it as propaganda to reinforce his false narrative that this is about NATO.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Have you even begun to comprehend the absolutely massive losses the Russian have taken in men and material. Its doubtful that they can hold out much longer.
    You think just like Hitler. Why I am not surprised.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    you are so damned dumb you dont understand any geopolitics. What good does NATO expansion , demonization of Putin do for the west? It's counterproductive. It just drives Russia and China into a military block

    Obama was smart enough to try a Russian reset, Trump would have as well (he campaigned on it)
    but Trump was hobbled by the Russian hoax.

    Biden had a chance to stop the war by taking the Lavrov letters (Russian redlines) at face value.
    He didn't- so here we are.
    Trump kisses Putin's ass, and you being the good Trump lackey that you are, are going to do the same.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    Lets begin with your first lie, Ukraine is not losing 1000 soldiers per day, and you know it. Secondly Ukraine is receiving arms from almost ever NATO country. Russia will run out, Ukraine wont.
    Now do you want to discuss the absolutely massive Russian losses to date?
    loss estimates are all over the place Zelnsky says 200x a day, but also says Russia has lost 40k
    both are no doubt low and high
    Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, MP says
    https://www.yahoo.com/video/ukraine-...124800693.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    loss estimates are all over the place Zelnsky says 200x a day, but also says Russia has lost 40k
    both are no doubt low and high
    Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, MP says
    https://www.yahoo.com/video/ukraine-...124800693.html

    Bull shit all you want, but Ukraine will get a steady supply of arms, Russia will run dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    Dukkha is correct that geographically, Finland and Sweden are meaningless to Putin.
    If anything, he will use it as propaganda to reinforce his false narrative that this is about NATO.
    I personally think NATO expansion was a major catalyst, but I think this is all about Ukraine
    not "reconstituting Soviet Empire"..all the hegemony has come from the west

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